You do know that you’re on the hook for the therapy we’re all going to need after this, right?
I have no regrets!
LOL.
I just came across this post from Normal again, and I actually have a response to part of it 
“Questions: why does Shadow have two uses of Ed’s power when Ed already used one? Why has SP not questioned this?”
Shadow told us when he claimed that his power was as follows:
This would support the idea that the assumed powers ‘reset’, so that even if **Ed **had used both of his blocks, **Shadow **would have two of his own.
You will, Astral, you will.
I’d have posted more (at all) today but much of my work internet use was focused on finding out just how close the riots came to my house (<1 mile) and which shops I wouldn’t be visiting for a while. Highlight of the day was reading on Twitter that the church hall 2 mins from my son’s nursery was on fire. Rushed home. It wasn’t. Which is what I suspected but some things just pique your curiosity.
Anyhow, sob stories aside, you guys have been busy, haven’t you? Despite all these revelations, however, we still seem to be in a position where one of Red or Shadow is scum. So from that perspective, we haven’t really advanced.
Suburban’s breakdown of the Night actions is really useful. Here’s my version, in whcih I’m assuming that Red is scum, that Inner and Suburban are town, and adding in our putative scum roleblocker, and a generic scum killer:
Night 1
Suburban tracked Pizza - blocked
LightFoot investigated Pizza - Pizza is Town
Red took no action
Inner Stickler protected/blocked Special Ed
Scum roleblocker blocked someone.
Scum kill Scathach.
Red may or may not have taken an action. Suburban was presumably blocked by the Scum roleblocker, as Inner was busy blocking Ed, the other potential blocker. Everything else is straightforward.
Night 2
Suburban tracked Ed - Ed took an action
Suburban received delayed reveal from Night 1 - Pizza took no action
LightFoot investigated ??? - blocked
Red attacked Septimus - Septimus was protected
Inner Stickler protected/blocked LightFoot
Scum roleblocker blocked someone.
Scum killed Ed.
Shadow gained Ed’s powers.
Red, being scum, didn’t attack septimus at all. So the question of whether septimus was protected by his own power or someone else doesn’t arise. Claiming to have gone after a scum who (at the time of the claim) was already under a lot of suspicion is a fairly obvious move. Suburban’s delayed reveal suggests that the scum roleblocker isn’t a full roleblocker at all, but can only delay actions, or at least results. (The colour makes it seem that SP did track Pizza on Night One, but “forgot” the results.) Given that Lightfoot is now out in the open, it’s most likely that the scum roleblocker blocked her, just as Inner did. We don’t know what Ed did, but as no one’s admitted to getting a message, presumably he blocked someone - to no visible effect.
Night 3
Suburban tracked Shadow - Shadow took an action
LightFoot investigated ??? - blocked
Red attacked Shadow - blocked
Shadow blocked Red
Inner Stickler protected/blocked LightFoot
Scum roleblocker blocks someone.
Scum fail to kill!
This is the nub of the matter. Inner was blocking Lightfoot, not scum. The scum roleblocker was not blocking scum. Shadow was blocking Red. And there was no kill. If the scum kill failed because of protection, not a block, it could only have been aimed at Lightfoot. The scum surely blocked Lightfoot on Night 2. On Night 3 the only other claimed power role is Shadow, who definitely took an action so wasn’t blocked. Why would the scum **not **keep blocking Lightfoot? Even if their block is only really a delay, why would they not hamper the detective as much as possible? Why would they decide to block someone else? Who would they have tried to block that would have been better than Lightfoot? And if they were blocking Lightfoot, why would they also try to kill her? They must be assuming a Doctor. For the same reasons, why would they think a Doctor would be doing anything but protecting Lightfoot?
Red was blocked. Scum didn’t kill. QED.
Night 4
Suburban tracked Inner - Inner cast “a helpful spell”
LightFoot investigated ??? - blocked
Red attacked Pedescribe - blocked
Shadow blocked Pizza
Inner Stickler protected LightFoot
Scum roleblocker blocks someone.
Scum fail to kill!
Did Red actually attack pedescribe? No reason to take him at his word. Inner is no longer Paranoid, but Lightfoot was blocked. So that’s the scum roleblocker or Shadow. But if Shadow is scum, why swap out with the scum roleblocker at this point? But why did the scum fail to kill? If Shadow is scum, we no longer have a town blocker of any stripe. So either scum failed to WIFOM Inner - but again, why would they expect him to be doing anything else? - or failed to get a kill in (highly unlikely), or they had some good reason to sacrifice a kill (pure speculation). Going by Suburban’s report on his delayed result, scum should by now be expecting Lightfoot to be getting results. So maybe they thought it *was *worth rolling the dice on her being unprotected?
The most we can say about the no-kill is that it wasn’t due to a block. What about Red’s NK? If Shadow’s scum, scum would have enough blockers to stop a Town Red and Lightfoot. If not, Red wasn’t blocked, so was either stopped by a power of Pede’s (surely, this is all but impossible, given pede’s continued silence?), or is lying. On the basis of Night 4, there’s not enough info to decide between Shadow and Red. Fine. Except, there’s the basic Occam’s Razor that it’s easier to explain 1 failed kill than 2. That is, whatever reason Red didn’t kill is exactly the same reason the scum didn’t kill, because Red is scum. And secondly, even if Night 4 doesn’t help us make a decision, Night 3 does.
On the assumption that Red Skeezix is Scum, but NOT a Scum roleblocker and that everyone else is telling the truth…
(I copied SP’s format and some of his words for this, but changed the results based on the above assumption).
Night 1
Suburban tracked Pizza – blocked. (This indicates the likely presence of a Scum role-blocker)
LightFoot investigated Pizza - Pizza is Town
Red or another Scum killed Scathach
Inner Stickler protected/blocked Special Ed (Ed would not have been able to block anyone)
Night 2
Suburban tracked Ed - Ed tried to block someone (This has to be a Block attempt – Ed had no other Night power)
Suburban received delayed reveal from Night 1 - Pizza took no action (jives with Pizza’s near-confirmation)
LightFoot investigated ??? – blocked
No-one attacked Septimus – he was Scum
Red or another Scum killed Ed
Inner Stickler protected/blocked LightFoot
Night 3
Suburban tracked Shadow - Shadow took an action (blocking Red)
LightFoot investigated ??? - blocked
Red attacked Shadow – failed
Shadow blocked Red - succeeded
Inner Stickler protected/blocked LightFoot
Night 4
Suburban tracked Inner - Inner cast “a helpful spell”
LightFoot investigated ??? - blocked
Red did not attack Pedescribe and was not blocked
Shadow blocked Pizza
Inner Stickler protected LightFoot
Possible conclusions…
Night 1
The Scum blocked Suburban and killed Scathach.
Inner blocked Ed.
LightFoot got a result on Pizza.
Conclusions: 1 scum roleblocker + 1 paranoid doc
Night 2
The scum killed Ed.
Suburban tracked Ed.
Ed tried to get a Block off, but we don’t know if he succeeded or not.
Inner protected LightFoot and also blocked her.
No one attacked Septimus.
Conclusions: scum probably blocked LightFoot, not knowing or wanting to risk a paranoid doc. Still at 1 scum roleblocker + 1 paranoid doc
Night 3
Scum Red attacked Shadow, but was blocked by Shadow.
Suburban tracked Shadow (saw him doing something).
Inner protected LightFoot and also blocked her.
Conclusions: No Nightkill is a result of scum attacking Shadow and being blocked. Scum roleblocker likely blocked LightFoot for the same reason as Night 2. Now at 1 scum roleblocker + 1 paranoid doc, + 1 Town roleblocker (me)
Night 4
The Scum failed to kill.
Suburban tracked Inner.
Inner protected, but did not block, LightFoot.
LightFoot was blocked
Red was not blocked.
Shadow blocked Pizza.
Conclusions: Knowing that I am telling the truth about what I did, I can only conclude that scum blocked LightFoot again (and Red of course was not blocked). But why no Night Kill? I don’t know. 1 scum roleblocker + 1 town roleblocker + 1 no longer paranoid doc doesn’t quite add up.
Red being Scum fits everything we know perfectly, except for the lack of night kill last night.
Here is some idle speculation to consider:
[ul]
[li]Did scum deliberately no-kill for some reason last night? I played on a scum team once where we could no-kill to power up an ability. Possible, but is it plausible? Impossible to know.[/li][li]This came to me while I was formulating the above: If I am Scum, why didn’t I report that I blocked Red Skeezix last night? There was no night kill at the reveal, so all I have to do is say I blocked Red, and use that as further evidence that he’s not a Vig (since there was no other kill), i.e. what Inner expected me to do. That would have been the smart scum play, IMO.[/li][/ul]
Hahaha, didn’t see Stanislaus’ post before posting. We’ve all been converted to Mini Pizzas 
I regret I have to go to work, but one brief comment and please don’t blow it out of proportion:
The night ShadowFacts blocked Red Skeezix, his result was that he was being followed.
I assumed this meant he was aware he blocked Red Skeezix who was trying to attack him.
However, it more obviously means that he was aware that Suburban was trying to track him.
Does that affect anything? I think Red was still trying to attack him, he just wasn’t aware. Or did I miss something.
Sorry for not participating, I am being wiped out by flu.
Too much to comment on, with all these claims.
vote shadowfacts because did he realy think Atpg was scum, bussing the godfather since Day 2? I think he blocked Red Skeezix.
Leading to the question on the part of the townies, why did the scum team delegate the NK to a person already under suspicion, who has been blocked once and will likely be blocked again?
Not trying to be a pain in the
…But, since I have trouble with this format a bit has someone compiled a list of " claims" I get a bit lost in all these pages.
(yes I’m asking someone to share their homework)=I’m sure someone already has a list
I’ve been turned around here a few times and I can’t take notes at work
The Cleric supposedly did this, a protection/block.
Problem: Draining strength, headache? That doesn’t smell like a Cleric.
Stronger than the investigator?
If this is a townie, they should be the same level. Maybe it’s not referring to level. That said, I do not believe a cleric is causing this much distress to someone the cleric is protecting.
The Cleric supposedly did this, a protection/block.
The Cleric claims he didn’t do this.
Again, this feels malevolent. And the color is also consistent.
Two theories:
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The paranoid doctor is telling the truth. BUT. The investigator was also roleblocked by the scum roleblocker.
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We never had a paranoid doctor, but the scums did have one. That’s why their moves can be read as a nice, friendly protection.
From the color, I suspect the scum team has been busy blocking Lightfoot for more than just one night.
If **ShadowFacts **turns up townie, my suspicion will again fall onto Inner Stickler. There may be no doctor counterclaim because there was never any townie doctor.
Again, this does not feel like a **cleric **is doing it. It feels more like an evil sorcerer of some kind. I strongly suspect the scums were responsible for these results.
I’m not confident enough about this to say with certainty that Inner Stickler is the cause. He may have simply been paranoid blocking the detective coincidentally. But I firmly believe the scums were blocking Lightfoot each of these three nights.
I believe this blocker is different from the one who blocked Red Skeezix. The block is definitely magical, the block on Skeezix is definitely a physical blow.
Well, I am finally back and just as confused as ever.
Since it looks like no one is making a list for claiming (though I don’t think there are many of us left), and since in my case it doesn’t make much difference, I will go ahead and claim.
So, unfortuntely I cannot do anything to help with the confusion.
I do think for toDay we need to lynch either Shadow or Red. I am going to vote for Shadow because I have just gotten a scummier feel from him and also I do not want to keep him around with extra votes (I assume he was telling the truth about that).
Vote ShadowFacts
Now I am going to try to sort out these claims and see if it makes any more sense.
I need some reassurances from people that they won’t give Inner Stickler a pass to breeze through the game. As a non-paranoid doctor, he’s priority number one, two, or three for the scums to murder. He can protect Lightfoot or Skeezix or Suburban Plankton, and very much threaten the scum team in that manner.
As such, if he’s never murdered, you can’t just accept that he’s a townie doctor.
Again, I don’t care if it has never been done before; I’ve given scumbags the ability to revive townies, just so they can claim to be a townie reviver. I’ve given scumbags the ability to investigate just like a townie investigator. I’ve given scumbags the ability to defend folks from their own teammate’s attacks. Part of my hosting style is to make dead certain you can’t assume anyone is townie or mafia based on claim, or even demonstrated power. And if I’ve done it, other creative hosts might as well.
Like I said I am not sure about this enough to ask for Inner Stickler’s head. All I am saying is, if Shadow flips townie, and Red flips townie, and I’m dead, you better remember what I said about Inner Stickler. Please.
That’s all. Sorry Stickler, but I am thorough.
About the list for claiming. I’m kindof aganst mass claims (look here we are still confused) there is little to no truth from Scum and I have ot seen an advantage to it except for the game where we had 4 teams not 2.
If pushed I could colaborate on alist but I have yet to see a great advantage to a mass claim *
- except where mentioned above
(if I need to be schooled in this have at me)
My comment earlier was to see if someone had already compiled a list of those that HAVE already claimed
Class: NPC Townsperson
Role: NPC
Alignment: Defenders of De’endee
Win Condition: You win when all threats to the Defenders of De’endee are vanquished and at least one member of the Defenders of De’endee is still alive.
Powers: None
My impression of the game, at this point, is that the scum team will have the following setup:
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Godfather/beguiler, disguised as a **Paladin **(Paladin sounds nice and townie). Issue: Paladin/bulletproof doesn’t make much sense. It’s obviously a murdering role, and it may gain additional powers with levels.
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Roleblocker/sorcerer, possibly disguised as a **Cleric **or a Mage. (Cleric sounds nice and townie). Issue: Clerics wouldn’t cause headaches from using white magic as protection. This is the main reason why I don’t *completely *buy Inner’s claim of paranoid/nonparanoid doctor/cleric. Time will tell on that one. If Inner is innocent, I still feel that there’s a magic-based roleblocker on the scum team. Further, this role may be able to kill instead of blocking, or perform more advanced spells as they gain levels. In other words, it won’t always just be a roleblocker.
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Roletaker/soul-stealer, possibly disguised as a Rogue. (ShadowFacts, if scum) The idea is that this person on the scum team probably does the murders, trying to hit a pro-town role, and then steals their powers. The murdered roles don’t get revealed immediately, but there is some pro-town role out there which is vital to our efforts which uncovers the fallen roles. If Shadow is townie, then obviously, this one is right out.
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Barbarian/Fighter, some** non-magic** Lord of Slaughter, possibly in a prestige class. The idea here is that they start off with basic murdering ability, and as they level up, they can then perform additional tasks, like, I dunno, beating Red Skeezix over the head with a hammer until he goes unconscious. In other words, this one can murder, and then gain the ability to roleblock. This would explain the multiple roleblocks, especially if ShadowFacts turns up scum.
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It’s possible they have other powers like the tracker, but I’m convinced the town coroner is a role and I sincerely doubt that one is mafia.
Any of these roles probably have a PC-based cover role, but they also have the ability to forge NPC cover roles at this point, so you can expect the Lords of Slaughter to be hiding as PCs (most likely) or NPCs.
I expect Lightfoot’s role is genuine, I also expect that Red Skeezix’ role is genuine, special ed’s role was obviously genuine, and any town coroner role is genuine. If ShadowFacts pops townie, that means his backup role was genuine.
That means, once again, my suspicions turn to the Cleric.
We’ve only had one successful scum lynch, and that one was a “bulletproof” role.
You cannot tell me that the townies have ALL of the following roles:
- Detective (Lightfoot)
- Tracker (Suburban Plankton)
- Jack of some trades (Special ed)
- Universal Backup role (ShadowFacts)
- Vigilante (Red Skeezix)
- Paranoid Doctor (Inner Stickler)
- Coroner (???)
We know the scums have these roles:
- Beguiler/Godfather (septimus)
- Roleblocker (???) If they were blocking Lightoot, this one is a magic-based roleblocker. If they were blocking Red Skeezix, this one is a physical attack-based roleblocker. The magic roleblocker has been able to block since level 1.
- Someone who can murder while septimus is dead and someone is busy roleblocking Lightfoot or Skeezix. This one is possibly the same as number 4.
- ShadowFacts (Rogue) Red Skeezix (Warblade), or, another roleblocker. Again, one of them is magic, one of them is physical attack based. My guess is they gain the second roleblock power at level 3. My guess is they can murder until they gain such power.
They may also have:
- Someone with a useful information gathering role. (Lightfoot, Suburban Plankton, for example)
So, for balance, the scum team is now claiming NPC or not claiming to hide from the townies, or some additional roles on that list of known townie roles are scumbags.
In order of likelihood, to me:
- ShadowFacts
- Inner Stickler
- Suburban Plankton (If Inner is guilty)
- Red Skeezix
- Lightfoot
Special ed was townie, and the coroner is obviously townie to me, if such role exists.
Otherwise the scums are hiding now as NPCs. They now no longer have the ability to claim a PC role to avoid a lynch.
As such, the game plan should be to scan, track, etc, all the NPC roles one-by-one.
If Shadow pops up scum, look for the brute force roleblocker among the claimed NPC townies and “fighters”.
These are either not claimed or have claimed NPC, according to my notes.
Normal Phase
Stanislaus
Hirka T’Bawa
gnarlycharlie
USCDiver
MentalGuy
pedescribe
Weedy
choie
Of these, I’m less concerned about Normal Phase and Stanislaus.
I’d also skip Hirka T’Bawa, gnarlycharlie, and possibly Diver.
I would begin scanning/tracking:
- choie
- pedescribe
- Mental Guy
- Weedy
To find your NPC or non-claimed scum.
While I don’t think it was the best play for the scum team, I think the most likely explanation for the no kills is that they played the WIFOM game with the paranoid doc (or what they thought was a paranoid doc) and lost. I don’t understand why they would do that when they could simply block LightFoot and go after everyone else until they found the doc.
If this is the case, I think we might be looking at a team of less experienced players as scum. That goes against my feeling that either Shadow or Red is scum, but I am just trying to come up with ideas.
If Red is a vig, I think he needs to start firing into the unclaimed/claimed vanilla pool. He can start with me if he likes, but I think Weedy or choie would be good first hits. Getting rid of pede was not a bad idea either.
If I am not mistaken, we do not have claims from Hirka, pede, Weedy, choie, Gnarly, or Stanislaus. If they are waiting on some order to be posted, then LightFoot or Pizza, could you provide an order for them to claim in.
On preview, LightFoot, it is my opinion that a mass claim generally helps Town at this point in the game for a couple of reasons. One is that Town needs information and the mass claim can provide that and help confirm players. Second, during a mass claim, the scum need to lie. Since they must lie, Town can start looking for inconsistencies between what different players said, or between what was said and what happened in the game. Third, sometimes when you know what everyone’s role is, you can coordinate actions to generate more information than would otherwise come forth.
Also,
While I am willing to accept that there might be some clues in the color (though that is unusual around here), I really doubt that the “it’s stronger than you” line means much. I would guess that it is just a justification for why he was blocked.
Too long? Didn’t read? 
Okay fine.
[ul]
[li]If ShadowFacts is scum, look at choie, pedescribe, or Mental Guy.[/li][li]If ShadowFacts is not scum, look at Inner Stickler, Suburban Plankton, or Mental Guy.[/li][/ul]
And Red Skeezix has to kill someone guilty very soon, if you MUST press him, I’d recommend having Lightfoot scan him. I am hoping the scums pick him off so that allows our feeler roles to find things and we don’t waste time on him. I’m almost 100% sure he’s the role he says he is. I’d say trust me on that but if you don’t, SCAN HIM, don’t lynch him.