I’m confused by your contention that all white people, wherever they’re from, share a culture. I’m not a geneticist, but I’m sure you could find large differences among groups of people you would still consider white. Irish people, Swedes, and Russians can look pretty different.
Er, what? The first people to land here - excluding people who’d lived here for thousands of years already - didn’t go to Plymouth. They went to Jamestown. And it wasn’t America that was founded, it was a colony of Britain.
I’m your HAPPY HELPER. Blue, which I guess is what you were referring to is the Laplanders whose beautiful white skin turns blue on very cold winter days, just slightly.
And I’m sorry I left out Brown from the People Color menu above…
Hugs
Franklin, I am not a sealion. If you feed me red herrings, I don’t clap.
If two people observe the same holidays, enjoy similar kinds of music, food entertainment, speak the same language, indeed duplicate anything cultural, they must be ethnically the same: Yes, or no?
What is it?
I asked why you advocate segregation. No red herrings, please.
You are none of those, except perhaps “Jew”, which is not a colour. You are likely pale pink.
I have a couple of friends who are both “white.” They were born and raised in North America, in a very uniform environment. Both culturally, and based on the “whiteness” of their neighbours.
These two friends decided to adopt a Chinese baby. Their daughter was raised in the same environment they were. Is she white? If not, are you arguing that her genes enable her to speak Shangainese?
I know better than to do this. I know better than to do this. I know better than to do this. Aw, what the hell!
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Say WHAT?!?!? Brother, culture is NOT inherited. Where on earth did you get such a preposterous idea? You, Mr Semantics, have apparently mixed definitions of “culture” and think humans are like E. coli in a petrie dish.
You still haven’t defined your use of extermination. If whites are at risk of extermination through cultural and racial mongrolization, it stands to reason that every racial group faces the same threat. Unless you see whites as being pure while other groups are automatically impure, it seems that this would be obvious. So it may be that a multiculturalist is promoting the “extermination” of whites, but by the same token, they are also promoting the “extermination” of blacks, Latinos, Asians, Arabs, etc.
If whiteness, in your view, is not an all or nothing property, and yet there are not grades, then this confuses me. Is it possible to be white and have one parent be non-white? If there are two biracial kids in a family and one of them inherited all of the light genes (blond hair, hazel eyes) and the other looks darker, can the lighter kid be considered white?
And when you seriously sit down to think about it, isn’t it rather silly to base feelings of racial allegiance on superficial traits such as skin color and hair texture? 'Cause when you boil it all down, that’s exactly what you are doing.
White and Black are reference words taken from color theory to roughly define two ethnic groups. So White defines Homo Sapien Sapiens who have spent the better part of 300,000 years north of the Meditaerranean, physically blocked from racial/ethnic mixing by water. So Whites, developed different genes and DNA than Africans (Blacks) or Asians (Yellows).
And to answer you point about Culture and habits being communicable or transportable across genetic ethnic pools on the surface, the answer is Some elements of Culture can be transferred that way. But only some.
Absolutely wrong on multiple levels. In order to find out what culture is “by definition,” it behooves us to look up culture’s definition. The relevant definition:
First, let’s note the absence of “ethnic identity” anywhere in the definition. Got it? Good.
1b is the most relevant sub-definition, as it talks about particular cultures. We can define them by period, class, community, or population. Presumably if we squinted and fudged, we could conflate “population” with “ethnic entity.” Rather, certain “ethnic entities,” whatever that means, probably comprise populations – but clearly not all populations comprise ethnic entities. To speak of the culture of D&D players is to speak of the culture of a population, but it’s a multiethnic, multiracial population.
So your definition of culture is all wet. The way you use the word is not at all how the word is generally used; nor is it how any dictionary of record defines the word.
Second, even if your definition were correct, your conclusion would still be nonsensical.
A state (in the sense I’m using it here) refers to a specific area of landmass defined by particular borders; it is unique from all other states, just as your (very poor) definition of culture is unique from all other cultures.
Yet it still makes perfect sense to refer to a multi-state vacation; it simply means a vacation that occurs in more than one state.
In other words, even if you could somehow justify the completely ridiculous definition of culture you use, multiculturalism would still make sense: it would just refer to phenomena involving multiple cultures.
Finally, a word of advice: those who participate effectively in this forum learn to back up their words with evidence. If you would like to claim, for example, that the NIH Genome project has a genetic test for whiteness, it is insufficient just to engage in ipse dixit, unsupported claims. If you want your statement to carry an iota of persuasive power, you’ll need to link us to the specific statement on the NIH website where they discuss this genetic test for whiteness. Then we can see what you’re actually talking about and we can discuss whether you’re interpreting the evidence correctly.
Failing such measures, I can make any old claim I’d like to – for example, that white supremacists masturbate sobbingly over pictures of Strom Thurmond – and be just as you are.
Are there not multiple cultures within the “white” identity? The Greeks, Irish, Russians, and French all have their own languages, customs, and traditions. In this White Nation, who’s culture will be represented? What language will be spoken? Who’s religion will dominate? By what criteria would you go by to decide who’s particular culture will dominate?
White people did not found this country alone. Blacks and Asians…as well as the Native Americans…struggled on this great continent along with Europeans. Why should this country go to whites when many different peoples built it, died for it, and are presently maintaining it.
By saying North America belongs to whites, does this not belittle the contribution that other groups made?
If you know whiteness when you see it and yet can’t define it for us, then just how useful is the concept of “whiteness”? If everyone can self-identify as white and then become a member of White World, what’s the point? Every club has consistent rules regarding who or who may not become a member. For Jews, you have to either be 1)the offspring of a Jewish mother or 2)have undergone a specific and rigorous conversion ritual. For blacks, the rules are looser but still existent: one drop of “black blood” is all that it takes. What are the rules for being white? There must be some metric that the rulers of White World would use to judge who can be a citizen and who cannot be one.
You’re way off on the timeframe. H. sapiens didn’t arrive in Europe until about 40k yrs ago. You won’t find many biologists using the term H. sapiens sapiens anymore, but even when that term was in use, no one would use the 300K yrs ago time frame. What reference are you using for your info on human evolution?
Hmm, Franklin Philly li’l buddy - some friendly advice:[ol][]Pull head out of ass.[]Purchase Guns, germs and steel by Jared Diamond.[]Read said book (:eek: Jared Diamond sounds a bit… Jewish! Don’t worry, you’ll like the book - it’s about why northern Mediterranean peoples have dominated the world technologically, militarily, and territorially over the past couple of thousand years).[]Come back.[]Bring pie.[]If truly desired, re-insert head into ass.[/ol]
Except for all of those tribes that routinely poured out of Central Asia conquering, settling, and spreading their genetic material, starting with the Indo-European language speakers all the way up to the Mongolians.
One more note, Franklin. The “HAPPY HELPER” business isn’t pulling the wool over anyone’s eyes, and isn’t amusing anyone but yourself. It’s it’s purely self-contragulatory masturbatory humore you’re after, that’s best engaged in in the privacy of your own home. This is a place for debate, not for puerile, trivial jokes.
BrainGlutton Why is it acceptable for “non-whites” (however it’s defined) to promote pride in their ancestry BUT not acceptable for white people to do the same? Provided that neither is promoting their superiority over another in their actions or words. White folks today it seems are supposed to be ashamed of their ancestry. I am to blame for the problems that everyone has encountered? That’s pretty convenient for the rest of the world.
F/P said that America should be white because Plymouth was first.
IIRC the Spanish were in North America long before the English. Actually the oldest city of European origin is San Augustine, FLA. Then there’s Santa Fe, NM which is still older than Plymouth or Roanoke (which failed). Not to mention the numerous missions throughout the Southwest which didn’t survive. Although several cities existing in Texas have historical roots back to the 1600’s and some even further.
IIRC the oldest permanent settlement in the North America is in La Junta at Presidio, Texas. There has been an established community continuosly surviving there for thousands of years. The Spanish arrived in the mid 1600’s to find a large “city” of natives.
I have of course overlooked many others who settled and populated the continent. But the claim was the Pilgrims were first, so I thought I’d at least show that to be a mistake.
Do you see what you are doing? You are not thinking for yourself. This is why students come from all over the world for Post-Graduate university study in the States. BECAUSE we make the Asian think. Not memorize or quote…But Think.
Got it - yet?
Your definitions are not correct. Ethnicity is specific to genetic pools and even cultural talents are written into specific DNA of the Human Genome.
Sounds like Connie Rice’s “Cognitive Dissonance” JewSpeak. How is your Cognitive Dissonance today, …Daniel?
t-keela, part of the answer is that “white pride” is something only hate groups seem to be interested in. The rest of white people seem to realize that there’s no such thing as white culture. People have pride in being Irish, Italian, German, or whatever, but white? Too large and too vague. In this country, there is such a thing as black culture because blacks are a minority and there’s a degree of common experience. If we were in an almost all-black African country, there might be a white culture in addition to the bigger national culture. But when people say it here, it’s usually tied to trying to unite people to keep everybody else down. White superiority, white power, all that fun stuff…
Well hold on just a minute. In one thread you’re railing against the use of a word because its popular current use doesn’t adhere to the dictionary definition… and in this thread you’re railing against a dictionary definition because it doesn’t adhere to your interpretation of its meaning.
Are you really Stormfront’s best debater? Because if so, it kind of fulfils my preconceived notions about the sort of person who would hold such views.
In other words: back your shit up with evidence not just your own opinion.