Defenders: seen it. Open spoilers.

It doesn’t bear close scrutiny (few of the Marvel franchises do), but I think it was pretty enjoyable on a surface level. The big fight in Ep 3 was a blast, maybe the high-water mark of the whole thing. They did as good a job as could be expected of forcing and keeping together four people who otherwise wouldn’t give each other the time of day. Iron Fist, while he still has a long way to go, was more appealing here than at any time in his own series. (“I even put on a tie!”) Plus Daredevil is my all-time fave superhero, so just seeing him back in action is nice. The scene where he rescues Jessica from, uh, not-Nobu was one of my favorite moments.

And as much as I’ve loved Scott Glen as Stick, I was glad to see him die. That goes for Elektra too, as much as I’ve enjoyed Elodie Yung’s take on the character. The Hand have had their moments; now let’s leave Frank Miller’s 80s kung-fu tropes behind and move forward.

I just finished it and I really appreciated that they restrained the story to just 8 episodes, when my recollection is that the previous seasons have been 13 (or maybe 10, but is sure seemed like 13). This allowed the story to progress at a much quicker pace and didn’t drag in the middle like Luke Cage, Iron Fist and even, IMO, the second season of Daredevil. I’d rather be left wanting more than having to slog through five more episodes.

I agree with most of the other complaints. It wasn’t a waste of time, it was mostly enjoyable, but not Marvel’s best effort.

One thing I wish these shows would do is–if you are going for a 13 episode season–have villain of the week episodes. All previous marvel shows dragged a bit. DD season one came close to this with the Black Sky episode and was the least draggy of the 13 episode series. Even in Jessica jones–the best of the series IMO–I kept saying “Just kill him already!”

Pacing is one of the things I always admired Buffy for. Hint at the big bad while Buffy and pals fight various minor supernatural threats, and bring the big bad out in later episodes building to an epic showdown.

Anyway, I liked that the Defenders was 8 episodes long. It didn’t drag as much. I hope this is the last we see of the hand and that they find better villains. The hand was great in the old DD comics, but they just didn’t work here.

I think 9 episodes would be the sweet spot for the Netflix Marvels, and yeah, they could throw in a VOTW ep or two as a diversion. Nine eps would let them up the production values for each ep, shorten their turn-around, and make the shows easier to binge-watch (which they seem to want people to do).

Rumor has it that **Iron Fist’**s suckage resulted in lots fewer people giving ****The Defenders a try, which is too bad. Hopefully The Punisher will turn things around (trailer looks good, hopefully it’s a shorter season as well).

I finally got around to finishing the series. I needed to finish Iron Fist first, because I feel I ought to get the whole background. I liked it but, yeah, none of the above complaints are off base.

Watching, I didn’t feel like the whole ‘big ass hole in the ground’ thing teased way back with Daredevil payed off in the end. Yet, thinking about it now, the fact that there’s a dragon skeleton and whatever else was there embedded in the ground in deep antiquity is a pretty good epicness for the culmination of six series’ worth of build up, except… it was if anything underplayed. I mean, just asserting that it contained immortality juice somehow and that extracting that juice would cause New York to crater didn’t do it, because there was no explanation as to why it was holding up the ground for a long-ass way up. Isn’t most of New York on bedrock? But they needed the premise to be more than just the Hand would keep being immortal, so they just kept saying that it would collapse part of New York with no explanation as to why the hell that would be because writing is hard.

In the Jessica Jones series, Jones cooked up an elaborate scheme whereby she would lock Purple Man in an isolation cage and force a confession out of him. This was desperate and hare-brained, but it felt like we were watching Jessica’s struggle against her own crippling fear play out in this scenario. In The Defenders, the circumstances that resulted in Danny being strapped down so he could be easily captured later seemed to serve the plot rather than a manifestation of a group psychology.

Elektra’s shifting motivations worked for her, more-or-less, except at the end where she suddenly seemed to go from being the cat toying with her prey to actually wanting to immortalize Daredevil as well to then also not caring about that and wanting to just be with him as they both died in a rather short time with no reasons given or suggested for the rapid turns-around. I mean, it’s not as out-of-nowhere as Joy Meacham’s sudden decision to go evil at the end of Iron Fist, but it was similar in the lack of attempt to explain to the viewers what was bringing about these transformations. Also, am I to understand that she all by herself whipped all the asses in K’un-Lun? Because it was pretty much wall-to-wall warrior monks, right? Okay, if she waded in with a bunch of immortal ninjas, I’d buy it.

I liked the fact that Jessica Jones felt out of her depth surrounded by trained martial artists. But I feel that anybody who blocks a punch from Jessica Jones should how have pulp for an arm. I don’t think that would blow the FX budget. After a few times with enemies running up, getting thrown back instantly crippled by inexpert punches, the experienced martial artists would adapt by concentrating on dodging between strikes. Then having her pick up a ridiculously huge thing would mean more than +1 CS to damage, it would make it easier for her to sweep a large area.

They emphasize that Luke Cage’s skin is impenetrable, but that just sets off alarm bells for me if there’s no further explanation because it seems like that leaves him extremely vulnerable to attacks that will do immense internal damage even if they don’t break the skin.

You could argue that the fact that Danny is critically stupid enough to be tricked into using his iron fist to bust open the Dragon Vault has kind of been set up. I can’t recall any point at which he was ever shown not to be a dumbass. His dipshittiness was long established. I don’t remember if the Iron Fist had that shockwave effect in his own show, but I liked it. But it made me want to see him use it in the old-fashioned Marvel ground-punch attack.

About The Vault: So, was the dragon cocooned all over in stone, or was there just this one big stone on one end of a massive rib cage (if that’s what I was meant to understand I was seeing)?

Also, could a room full of writers not come up with a term other than The Substance? Did the Japanese guy ever say whatever the equivalent is of ‘The Substance’ in Japanese? I’d have found it less jarring if they’d kept calling it “The Good Shit” instead. I assumed that after Elektra’s re-awakening we were dealing with something like a The Substance addiction, and that’s why she herself wanted to open the vault. At the end she apparently wanted to make Matt immortal too, though that came out like the writers just thought of that right before filming. I never worked out what made her The Black Sky, but it seemed to me that Alexandra’s decision to spend The Last of our Resources on Elektra was played as more of a function of maternal longing than of power. They never seemed to play up the classical angle hinted at with Elektra’s betrayal, with the original Electra being involved in a plot to kill her mother in vengence for her father’s murder.