Trump is so clumsy and inflammatory that I don’t think he will benefit this time and Biden is sufficiently non-woke that he probably won’t be hurt. However the woke left isn’t going to anywhere and my guess is they will
cause a world of hurt to Democratic politicians over the next decade and more. They have an uncanny genius for creating new wedge issues and slogans that are perfect for Republican attack ads. Abolish ICE. Reparations. Abolish the police.
These issues aren’t going away and it’s going to be harder and harder for Democratic politicians, especially young ones, to oppose them.
Democrats are getting Tea-Partied. And no matter what, the woke left will become a stronger and stronger voice. If Trump wins, then that defeat will strengthen the progressive wing because they’ll claim that a centrist (Biden) couldn’t get it done. And if Biden wins, then the progressive wing will say “time for action” and feel emboldened by D power.
Well if it’s REALLY about getting rid of police unions, they should say that. A lot of Republicans could get behind that.
Yeah, especially the rioters in blue, beating heads, slashing tires, leaving old men bleeding on the ground…
Replace is good, because it makes it clear you’re talking about something more fundamental than reform but equally makes clear that there will be something to replace the present system, which “defund” or “abolish” don’t.
Remember how everyone was worried how “disband ICE” wasn’t a great slogan because it was pretty easy to interpret as “open borders”? Well, that all worked out fine, right?
“Replace” is nearly as bad as “Defund”. Replace with what? National Guard? Military? The wait staff from a shuttered restaurant?
Look, it’s time to admit that this was just a poorly thought out idea and move on with a plan of action that is actually feasible.
Bah, everybody had a round of collective pearl-clutching over “Abolish ICE” 2 years ago, and Trump is polling worse than ever. In a few months, this too will pass over into nothingness.
You don’t have two years until the election for everyone to forget about this one though.
When authority repeatedly ignores pleas for meaningful reform, then you have to go beyond mere incremental change. There is a clear and compelling need to change the way that law enforcement polices and regulates behavior in our communities. We need to reset expectations, and this applies to not only police but all public institutions.
There are times when we have to forget how opponents are going to spin it, and just act. If we worried about how opponents of civil rights would spin integration, we’d still be segregated. If we worried about how opponents would spin Medicare or Obamacare, we’d have neither. Sometimes, you gotta say ‘eff’ their opinions and move forward, critics be damned.
Who are you talking to? These things are already underway, terminology or not. No one is really that confused anymore.
What did they replace the air traffic controllers with?
Isn’t that exactly what the Sanders campaign said about “Democratic Socialism”?
Some labels are like that tattoo you were warned you’d live to regret.
Computers, mostly.
Might be a bit soon for Robocop. But hey, let’s give it a try. You never know.
I don’t think it will take 2 years. I think everybody forgot about abolishing ICE in 2 months, everybody forgot about Sandy Hook in 2 months, everybody’s already forgotten how close we came to ginning up a war with Iran to distract from Trump’s impeachment proceedings (which also have been forgotten).
Of course the Trumpkins will try to keep it alive until November, but anybody with 2 functioning brain cells understands the difference between hyperbole and reality.
And they’re saying this looks to be a very busy hurricane season this year! Whee!
This is exactly why we can ignore any concerns about how Trump supporters might spin things. They were already 100% convinced Democrats all wanted open borders. The “abolish ICE” phase did not push that number above 100%. It has not fallen below 100%.
Trump supporters will wail and gnash their teeth over “abolish the police or whatever”. It won’t work because they have no answer whatsoever to police violence except that it’s probably fine.
Abolish ICE never went national except on Fox News. It definitely helped that so many Sanders/AOC candidates got squashed in the 2018 primaries and it was easy to pivot to no kids in cages rather than having open borders stuck on you.
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No scabs?
I like robocop. He is programmed not to suffocate humans.
I think that Rs should really think twice about that. How many ways can you all think of to shoot yourself in the face? Have at it. If you lose the police unions you are left with who? Jerry Falwell? It will be lonely.
Maybe.
I think the reason it won’t work is because disproportionately elderly swing state voters have already decided that Uncle Joe is a safe choice.