Sure. I have no problem with that. I figure reasonable people will judge me reasonably, and as far as I can tell around here, that has mostly been the case. I really couldn’t care less what Der Trihs thinks about me, because frankly, he makes no sense anyway.
But you were complaining that he judged you.
It says alot about this board that so many veteran dopers are rushing to the defense of a troll like Der. I can only shake my head in disgust. And not at the troll. 
No, it is not at all reduced to that statement, much as you’d seem to prefer that. It states that pro-lifers hate women, want to enslave them even to the point of death, and then would gloat over the conclusion.
That is not a hyperbolic version of, “The antiabortion movement won’t rest until it’s impossible for a woman to get an abortion anywhere,” any more than “Blacks are shiftless, lawless animals with base motives and undeserving of our help,” is a hyperbolic version of, “I believe affirmative action does more harm than good, if it does any good at all.” For someone to take offense (rightly so) to the former would not equate with said person being offended by the latter. The fact that a given person might be offended by both does not prove otherwise. The fact would remain that the first statement is unsupportable nonsense, regardless of one’s feelings regarding affirmative action.
There are scads of pro-choice posters on this board who aren’t pitted for their beliefs. Why do you suppose that is, if this is purely attributable to the unpopular nature of the opinion?
No, actually, I wasn’t. My entire quote that you snipped from was this:
I am not offended because I happen to be American, and he judged me for it. I am offended because that is a ridiculous prejudice. If he thought the same about ALL Japanese people, or ALL redhaired people, or ALL librarians, I would be equally offended, even though I am not Japanese, redhaired, or a librarian.
If you believe in holding people responsible for their elected officials, especially twice elected officials, then it isn’t prejudice. It’s judgment.
As for the larger pitting, DT is a pain in the ass. Holding Americans responsible for the actions of their government and holding religions responsible for their atrocities is a reasonable thing. If he phrased things like I just did, he wouldn’t be pitted. If he phrased things like I just did, he wouldn’t deserve pitting. But he doesn’t, so he does.
But I have enjoyed any number of his posts when it isn’t a hotbutton topic for him, and I think he’s one of the few people who follows thoughts to their natural conclusions, even when I disagree with him.
And Severed Stool saves us all from apoplexy with a voice of reason.
Let me break it down to you automatons that just can’t see the truth for your lack of irrationality.
It’s not that D-T is against everything that involves the US in any manner. It’s that anyone living in the US that believes the sky is blue is obviously under the control of evil and nefarious trolls of Satan. (Though, there is no religion, so not sure how that works out. But that doesn’t matter.)
Therefore, all Americans are evil minions of Satan, or Bush in his world. Nothing to see as odd. Every American is bad, and all policies are bad because they’re American policies. (I’d hate to be around him on the days that foreign aid packages are announced. The spread of evil just never ends in his world.)
But it seems that he’s completely rational in what he picks and chooses to spout off about. Pro-Choice? Pro-Death Penalty? I can’t understand why he doesn’t embrace both equally as they contribute to fewer Americans polluting his Utopia.
But, but, but, you’re AMERICAN! You’re bad!*
*[sub]Repeat that to yourself a million times while running your head into an iron curtain, and you may understand. Oh, wait, Communism is a joke. Never mind.[/sub]
You are so right (hangs head in shame).
Yeah. In fairness, it’s not a lot. It’s just a couple. But even that is pretty freakin’ sad.
I’m quite happy to lack irrationality, myself.
I don’t think you have any right criticizing how others come to their politics, duffer. Leastways not while this is still on the front page of the pit.
Yeah, the thread where I’ve said again and again I was bitching about a small segment of people and tried to explain why it was bugging me. Then went so far as to say I was giving up on the rant. Then had to defend myself from accusations of the true intent of the thread. Then get another beatdown because the explanation wasn’t good enough for some.
Good tie-in to different threads and different intents of the threads. Only you could pull that off, and you’ve done it in a style only you could. Congrats.
Huh? I’ve seen no more than a couple…
…unless people like me are “veteran”, now?
Please, say I’m a veteran! It means sooo much to me. :wally
And I don’t agree Der Trihs is a troll. I don’t think he’s posted just to get a rise out of people, I’m sure he’s just saying what he believes. People just don’t like the way he says it, seems to me. I agree with most of his views, but you don’t see me getting pitted for it with the regularity of Der Trihs. That’s because I’m not as vocal as he is.
No, it is judgment to hold people accountable for their own actions. It is prejudice to make a judgment about someone based on somone else’s actions, just because they are a member of the same group. 50% of the people didn’t even vote for Bush, and many of them would run him out of office on a rail if they could figure out a way to do it. Should these people be lumped in with the ones who do support him, just because they are all Americans?
To a degree we are all responsible for the actions of our elected officials, particularly twice elected ones. OK, maybe you didn’t vote for him, but how much did you do to suport his opponent? Did you campaign against him? Do you regularly call or write your elected officials to voice your opinion on issues?
OK, I don’t either, but the point is that in a country where we have so much freedom to affect the way the government works we also bear a responsibility for what it does. Some bear more than others but we all have at least a little.
To what degree? What could we have done besides politicking and voting for his opponent? The only other thing I can think of is assassination, but I’m fairly sure that’s illegal.
I can get why people would want to pit Der. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don’t. Most of the times, I agree. Sometimes he takes what I believe and takes it too far. Sometimes he doesn’t take it far enough.
The bottom line is that he’s a person. Agree with him or not, I value his existence and opinion, even when I disagree with it. The same goes with people that I actively disagree with in certain situations.
One thing that you can’t dispute is that he’s definitely passionate about his stance. The level of passion is too much or too little to some, but it’s good to see someone stick to their guns.
The bottom line is that he’s an asshole. I know quite a few persons on this board, some of whom I disagree with quite strongly, and some of whom I don’t even like, but in the end, they voice their opinion, and they voice it well, but even when they don’t voice it well, they know when enough is enough.
Der Trihs doesn’t know when enough is enough. His tongue is in a losing battle with his head. It’s like watching a runaway train as it plows through threads with the same fucking thing time after time after time, like they were so many small houses in the way.
I don’t join in the pile-on against Trihs because he’s a person I disagree with. I join because he’s a fuck-tard who gives me and other atheists a bad name. He’s like . . . the Ann Coulter of atheism.
This is not a defense. Fred Phelps and the WBC are passionate about their stance too, and they stick to their guns in the face of overwhelming odds. Do you think that’s good too?
I realize that as bad as he is, Trihs is nothing compared to Phelps, but you cannot use “He’s passionate” or “He sticks up for what he believes in” as a defense in and of themselves.
Linty, that is hilarious. That pretty much puts it in a nutshell, doesn’t it?