This might be a little old but
This is Bob Jones defending itself. BJU’s purpose might be religion, but it is a racist religion.
IzzyR try to find people in the south who think as you do. My parents who object to interracial dating would not think of flying the Confederate flag because it is too symbolic of racism for them.
Here is an interesting article
http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2002/12/wilentz-s-12-20.html
The Republican Party is crypto-racist and filled with crypto-racist apologists. (Crypto, according to Merriam Webster’s unabridged dictionary means: one who adheres or belongs secretly to a party, sect, or other group <fellow travelers and cryptos> <the crypto vote>.) The current tactic of the Republican Crypto racists is to accuse their critics of racism by using race as an issue when they do not admit that they policies and practices amount to racism. I’d like to sum up the citations in one place for the position that Republicans pander to racist notions. So here it is.
The Republican party will not admit to racism. That does not mean that it is either racist or not racist by itself. That depends on an analysis of the information available. There is ample information, when considered in aggregate, to indicate that Republican policies, practices and appeals are in fact racist. When combined with the fact that Republicans in dismissing Senator Lott as their Majority Leader openly admit racism is wrong, yet actively pursue its policies, makes them not just racists, but people knowingly doing wrong in the name of advancing racism.
The NAACP has kept a legislative report card for the better part of the past century. Here is the last one: http://www.naacp.org/work/washingto...7thcongress.pdf All Republican legislators in both houses earned an “F” grade, except one, who earned a “D” grade. Republicans dismiss the NAACP as a “liberal” organization, when it’s only focus is on racial issues.
Encarta 2002 contains the following excerpt: “Southern support for the national Democratic Party collapsed during Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson’s administration (1963-1969). President Johnson’s “Great Society” programs featured policies of racial and economic liberalism, while his foreign policy greatly expanded American involvement in the Vietnam War (1959-1975). Many Southern whites no longer believed that the Democratic Party represented their interests on a wide variety of domestic and foreign policy issues.
In the 1968 election, Democratic presidential candidate Hubert Humphrey received the votes of only 19 percent of Southern whites, and he carried only one state in the South—Texas. Former Alabama Governor George Wallace, the leader of the American Independent Party, appealed to the most racially conservative whites and won Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, and Mississippi. Republican candidate Richard M. Nixon won the rest of the Southern states: Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia. The Solid South had dissolved.
In The Emerging Republican Majority (1970), political analyst Kevin P. Phillips argued that many white voters in the Southern states would soon support the Republican Party in presidential elections. In 1972 President Nixon used racial, economic, and social issues to attract Wallace’s supporters. The Republican candidate’s “Southern Strategy” captured 79 percent of the Southern white vote, and he easily carried every Southern state. The Solid Republican South had arrived.” Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2002. © 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Hentor the Barbarian gives us:
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In 1964, the Republicans changed their Southern strategy to a new model – that of direct support for Southern opposition to desegregation. This strategy cost them the outer South, but gained them the Deep South. It also severed the party from blacks, and that proved to be permanent.
On the other hand, by getting 48.7 percent of Southern votes, Goldwater became the first Republican in history to do better in the South than the North. And the South’s share of the national vote rose to 17.4 percent.
Nixon played a careful version of the Southern strategy in 1968, combining Ike’s class strategy with Goldwater’s racial appeal. In 1968, riots in northern cities had nationalized the race issue – so it was possible to gain Northern as well as Southern votes by a mild racial appeal.
Another essay, purportedly written by a representative of the Log Cabin Republicans, is also illuminating.
http://www.ferris.edu/isar/Institut...ernstrategy.htm
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In 1972, the core of President Nixon’s reelection campaign was not break-ins and wire-tapping but rather the “Southern strategy,” or as the Nixon team called it, “positive polarization.” It was about winning over the South by pitting a singled-out minority, such as African Americans, against a fearful majority, such as angry Southern whites. The key was to play directly into the hands of bigotry and intolerance, veering away from the heritage of the party of Lincoln.
Spoke- pointed out that prominent former Congressman Republican Bob Barr addressed a racist group, the Council of Conservative Citizens a few years back. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/barr121198.htm This is a racist and anti-Semitic organization. Here is the google cached page for the Council of Conservative Citizens http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:UxJsA3BQqkAC:www.cofcc.org/+council+of+conservative+citizens&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Here is the Anti-Defamation League’s page about the CCC: http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/CCCitizens.asp?xpicked=3&item=12
John Ashcroft gave an interview to the Southern Partisan magazine. http://www.templeofdemocracy.com/SouthernPartisanIndex1999.htm#Ashcroft and search for Ashcroft for an excerpt of the 1998 interview and a link to the principles that the Confederates were fighting for: http://www.templeofdemocracy.com/document.htm
Hentor the Barbarian then points out that Ronald Reagan traveled all the way to Philadelphia, Mississippi to launch his 1980 Presidential campaign. The choice of this location was never explained by the Republican Party, but Philadelphia has one (and only one) claim to fame: it is the location where in 1964 where three civil rights workers were murdered by segregationists. This event has been dumbed down for digestion by the Teeming Millions ™ in the recent film Mississippi Burning. A review is here. http://purplebyrd.tripod.com/writing/essays/missburning.html
Sterra was then kind enough to find us a number of cites that were really choice. http://www.thenewrepublic.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20021230&s=wildman123002 http://greenvilleonline.com/news/2002/12/20/2002122033396.htm
Kimstu gave us this Earl Black and other Southern political scientists are quoted in a recent Atlanta Journal-Constitution article on Republicans and race:
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"What Lott said unmasked for a modern audience what had been obscured about the way the Republican Party grew in the South,’’ Ferrel Guillory said. Guillory is director of the Program on Southern Politics, Media and Public Life at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
"It allowed itself to become the vehicle for the resistance of social and racial change,’’ Guillory said. “It paid the price of being on the wrong side of history in terms of the way the country changed.” […]
Black […] said, “The Southern Republican Party, back in the Goldwater era, clearly tried, especially in the deep South, to jump-start their party by being the party of white, racial conservatives.” […]
Other examples of national Republicans and race:
> In a close U.S. Senate race six years ago against black Charlotte architect Harvey Gantt, Republican Jesse Helms ran a television ad showing the white hands of a man crumpling up a job application as the narrator lamented the supposed minority preferences offered by affirmative action.
> Attorney General John Ashcroft gave an interview to the neo-Confederate magazine Southern Partisan in 1998 and delivered the 1999 commencement address at Bob Jones University.
[…] “Some of those practices that are wicked and wrong and immoral,” UNC’s Guillory said, "are what a lot of white people were trying to preserve when they switched from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party.’’
The interesting question—and I wish you had asked it a trifle less belligerently in the OP, because it really is worth some considered discussion—is whether this strategy has now been repudiated in the Republican Party overall. The article linked above also discusses some hopeful signs in that regard:
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Bush has placed African-Americans at the power center of his presidency and has tried to bring Hispanics, Asian-Americans and other minorities into the party.
“One of the things Bush has been trying to do, I think, is to move the Republican Party in the direction of the party of Lincoln,” said Earl Black, political science professor at Houston’s Rice University.
“George Bush is now the role model for a whole generation of Southern Republicans,” Black said. “The last thing they want is to be put in a position where they are seen as defending the indefensible.” […]
“I truly believe that we have moved beyond racism in the Republican Party,” said Nancy Zirkin, deputy director of the Leadership Council on Civil Rights, a Washington coalition of 180 advocacy groups.
another internet broken link.
Pantom pointed out for us that Republicans have a long history of appealing to racism by trying to argue that there is ethnic voter fraud. These cases have not panned out for them, but they get a ton of mileage and martyrdom points among racists for trying. http://www.themonitor.com/NewsPub/N...353408291.shtml
http://www.rapidcityjournal.com/art...nion/opin03.txt News…-2390-NEWS1.TXT
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/4444051.htm
Making baseless, false or petty allegations against political opponents is an old political trick that worked with the HUAC back in the 40s and McCarthyism in the 50s, and against Clinton in the 90s. It shows a willful and gleeful desire to ruin perfectly innocent bystanders for political power.
MSNBC pointed out clearly Bush II Administration policy of rolling back civil rights legislation, as pointed out by yours truly. http://www.msnbc.com/news/851260.asp?0dm=C12PO
Maeglin found us this nice study on the Confederate Naval Battle Flag flap. http://economics.wustl.edu/~falasche/Research/Confederate%20Flag.pdf It shows a strong correlation between racism and flag pandering, worthy of serious scrutiny.
Spoke-, ever diligent, then provided us another break-down on flag voting, showing an extremely large correlation for vote pandering. utdailybeacon.com | The editorially independent student newspaper at the University of Tennessee, since 1906.
And then in the last post, I provided this link showing the Lott-Hines connection to Bush. http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/2002/12/wilentz-s-12-20.html
Here are some more articles on the Southern Strategy: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/dec2002/race-d24.shtml http://www.voxnyc.com/archives/00000031.htm
While this thread has seen a lot of “I don’t believe that source”, or “your evidence doesn’t satisfy me” and “Mom, I did not hit him”, rarely have I seen a position so thoroughly ass-kicked as the Republican pandering to racism demonstrated in this thread. Perhaps if the pro-Republicans had some more help on their side, they could have come up with some better stuff, but it looks to this observer as though there is a one-sided victory. For now sign me…
Scylla, how am I, a Southern Democrat, to trust your judgment on the subject of bigotry when your own posts reflect a bigotry against Southerners that you don’t seem to recognize? What a stereotype! Try thinking “Frist” instead of “Lott” when you think of Southern men. And maybe you could refer to a few women in your observations about Southerners?
I mean you no disrespect and I am sorry that I cannot stick with the agenda of the OP. Your comments have colored it all for me.[/hijack]
Zoe:
I have no idea what you mean, since you haven’t bothered to be specific.
Sparticus:
That’s a blatant and outright lie, as you know from examining the issues on the report card as well as the NAACPs activities. Nor can you plead ignorance as we went over many of the individual issues. Disagreeing with the NAACP cannot be construed as racism or evidence of racism by even the most shallow and one-sided mind, if that mind is honest.
The rest of your post similarly disgusts me.
Yawn
Of course it can. A reasonable, non-racist person cannot be expected to agree with every single instance of the NAACP’s agenda. But if they disagree with virtually all of that agenda, earning the coveted “F”, it is fair to say that the "preponderance of evidence " principle can be invoked.
Now, as the agenda of the NAACP is almost entirely devoted to anti-racism, it is fair to say that one who is entirely or predominantly opposed to that agenda stands in some suspicion of supporting racism, either overtly or covertly. That being, of course, the simplest explanation.
Hence, the ball bounces into Scylla’s court. If he is to have us reject the obvious, he must present an alternative explanation. What that might be, I have no idea. Happily, that is his problem, and not mine.
Scylla…Democratic bigotry in denouncing the “Southern Strategy”
In some other threads I’ve discussed the observation being made by some that the Republican party is the party of bigotry and segregationists in general.
Clearly there are bigots in the Republican party just as there are in the Democratic party.
The suggestion is more than this. It is that somehow the Republican party has an agenda of bigotry.
I doubt anyone believes other than that a corrupt canidate will always pander to the overall bigotries of his paticular constituency, be it liberal or conservative, black or white, Demo or Rep, just to get elected. Socialism, which in my opinon is the near eventuallity of all developed and progressive nations, took a big slam when ole Adolph took it’s banner to garner moderate support for his Nazi Party…McCain, Powell, and a few other self confessed Republicans whom consider accountibilty, humanizim and inclusion a Republican agenda (over the blanket seclusion offered by the adherents of Christian Family Values that so pleasantly flower their bigoted spiel as biblical dictate), have more chance to unify this country than any sitting Democrat. But when ya lay with the dogs you gonna get fleas, and the party of Lott, Thurman, Helms and Ashcroft is the southern republican party…And before you dismiss this as halfassed Demo dogma…I’m a southerner, black and queer…and I mite be a moving next to you.
Scylla, maybe it’s time to get rid o’ some o’ them carbohydrates.
elucidator:
Read the goddamn thread already. I completey responded to Sparticus’ link the first time he posted it back on page 1.
That’s why I said he was lying, when he said the NAACP because “it only focuses on racial issues.”
Always the good Christian.
Scylla is a good example of a Republican. Always making accusations, never backing them up, never paying attention to the interests or points of view of others and lying constantly about others, and being too lazy to deal with the facts.
For example, he started this thread by accusing Democrats of being racist for denouncing the Southern Strategy use by Republicans. He then refused to back up this accusation, demanding that others prove Republicans racist, not to any reasonable standard, but to his personal and impossible to meet standard.
I have rarely seen an ass kicking so thorough as the evidence people have offered here, and a defense so weak, as in “I don’t believe you’re evidence.” It’s a pity that Republicans don’t have a better champion, because Scylla is such a piss poor debater.
And Scylla, you did not “completely repond to the link the first time it was posted” you claimed to have read it and then dismissed it out of hand without any kind of serious response other than that you did not personally agree and thought that the Ashcroft confirmation issue was nothing, without even trying to understand why minorities would be more horrified about Ashcroft being Atty Gen than Trent Lott. I look at your behavior in this thread and all I see is trolling, and that is when you are on your best behavior.
Not a claim of mine, my dear. 
As a minority I think it is you who is not doing well in this discussion Scylla, To me, the critics would not have a point if all the republicans had nothing but great things to show in all their voting records. I have to mention that after seeing your posts, you are beginning to sound like a Collonsburry of the right.
It is clear to me that all republicans are not racists, however this move to get away from the iffy legacy of a group of south congressman, was due a long, long time ago. It seems to me that since people are seeing republicans as the better choice in national security, many republicans at last have seen an opening to hit those guys in the open. Or are you forgetting it is not only the democrats crying foul? Pragmatically, I see it as progress that even republicans, here in Arizona, are appreciating.
But, as Bush as an example, the republican position for public consumption is to condemn the bad idea, but not to demand anything else from the offenders. That shows to me that the southern strategy is still being the receiver of lifesavers. Time to let go, and to stop making excuses that even republicans don’t swallow.
I agree with I am sparticus. You are not proving your point. Your point actually sounds more like party propaganda, a smoke screen to hide what has just occurred.
Gigo:
So when are the Democrats going to do it? The one attempt that was made to examine a pool of politicians showed there to be racism and pandering on both sides.
And Democrats have rewarded the worst bigots in their party by appointing them attourney general and giving them leadership positions in the party, when?
Isn’t this a little like pleading to the judge that you shouldn’t do time because there are other criminals out there.
That’s another complete lie.
I responded thusly:
You responded with some bullshit about coded messages and truth in lending to which I responded:
That was the sum total of our discussion on your link. We didn’t talk about Ashcroft. That’s another total fabrication on your part. Like I said. You’re a liar.
And you’re a good example of a bigoted liar.
Here’s some news for you.
When I see behavior that is distasteful, like I see in you, I don’t attribute it to Democrats in general. I don’t do it even if I see five other Democrats doing it. I attribute it to your failings and bigotries as a human being.
I beleive that you believe this. That’s because you put your conclusions first.
When the South Carolina Senate voted (in a compromise) to remove the Confederate flag from atop the state capitol, and place it in a less prominent position (on a 20-foot flagpole behind a Confederate memorial) only seven senators voted against the measure. Can you guess their party?
Yep. All seven of the senators who wanted to keep the flag flying atop the capitol were Republicans. Cite.
Is anyone other than Scylla surprised? 