"Democratic candidates are wasting their time-bickering over policies..."

[carol235]

It’s just so hard for me to believe that we are talking about the good possibility of Trump winning another term after everything he has done (and not done).

[Socsback]

@ThelmaLou

And, alarmingly, I have read* that these people, or at least some of them, say that if Bernie is not nominated they will not vote in the general election at all! :smack:

• I don’t have a cite for this. Maybe someone else can provide one.

12% of them voted for Donald Trump in the last election, and 9% of them stayed home.

Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Become President

[crowmanyclouds]

@carol235

It’s just so hard for me to believe that we are talking about the good possibility of Trump winning another term after everything he has done (and not done).

“I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.”
Will Rogers ~ 1879-1935

The only thing that has changed is the perfection of their/our circular firing squads.

CMC fnord!

[Fugazi]

@Socsback

This.

Our country is somewhat unique (and not in a good way), in that we focus our elections on policy, rather than simply trying to elect someone who will be a good leader, good mediator, good representative of our country, etc. “Policy” is way down the list of what I want in a leader.

I’m kind of the opposite. A great leader who’s working to enact policies that I disagree with will probably be more successful at enacting those policies. In that case I’d want him/her to be a less effective leader. I’d rather the person running the show be at least trying to implement stuff I want to see happen.

[Fugazi]

@Socsback

12% of them voted for Donald Trump in the last election, and 9% of them stayed home.
Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof

Why do people keep saying this as if it is some kind of “gotcha” to Bernie supporters. This article states the somewhere between 16 and 24 percent of Clinton followers voted for McCain instead of Obama in 2008. If anything, Bernie was better than average at getting his supports to vote for Clinton.

[Velocity]

@ThelmaLou

And, alarmingly, I have read* that these people, or at least some of them, say that if Bernie is not nominated they will not vote in the general election at all! :smack:

• I don’t have a cite for this. Maybe someone else can provide one.

Here’s one: (posted before)

https://www.reddit.com/r/bernie/comments/ez67dj/this_girl_has_the_right_idea/

[HelenGawn]

@ThelmaLou

There’s no point in fighting
Democratic candidates are wasting their time — and hurting their chances — bickering over policies they’ll never get to implement.My bold.

As far as the presidency goes, yeah, the only real issue is electability (discussed in another thread), but if the Democrats don’t keep the House and take the Senate, it doesn’t matter who the president is or what their proposed policies are. In such a climate of “vicious and total partisan obstruction,” the next Democratic president will NOT be allowed to seat a Supreme Court nominee or get anything else done.

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Even if Dems sweep all contests, every candidate’s proposals would come out the same: an incremental step towards the goals everyone wants (healthcare for all, meaningful climate action, etc.). Too many new and currently-freshmen congressfolks will represent swing constituencies to get very far ahead of the curve.

I agree with steronz that effective leadership is more important than policy goals, but I certainly wouldn’t limit that to executive, i.e. mayor or governor, experience. The best presidents have gotten involved in the legislative process, at least in “friendly persuasion” mode.

[ThelmaLou]

@Velocity

Here’s one: (posted before)

Reddit - Dive into anything

Yikes. The upshot of that is the poster says if the DNC “cheats” Bernie of the nomination, she and like-minded people will “end the Democratic Party!” :smack:

Thanks for locating that bit of lunacy.

[What_the]

How do you think the Bernie Bros would define “cheat”?

I’m reminded of 2016 when the DNC chairperson favored HRC during the primary (although I’m not sure it was very clear until afterward).

I’m also reminded of Donna Brazile favoring her but don’t recall what her position was… maybe just a CNN talking head.

[carnivorousplant]

@What_the

How do you think the Bernie Bros would define “cheat”?

I’m reminded of 2016 when the DNC chairperson favored HRC during the primary (although I’m not sure it was very clear until afterward).

I’m also reminded of Donna Brazile favoring her but don’t recall what her position was… maybe just a CNN talking head.

Does the Republican party have super delegates? Perhaps that would have made sure Trump did not get the nomination.