Beto O’Rourke doesn’t have to apologize for making a joke about himself that is actually a tribute to his wife. Don’t jab at him!
Tulsi Gabbard is allowed to have different foreign policy ideas from Obama. Get off her back!
Kirsten Gillibrand’s views on immigration have evolved over time. Leave her alone!
Bernie and Biden are older than the hills, of course they said things 100 years ago in a different time and place that they wouldn’t say now. Don’t hassle them!
This goes for every one of you Democratic candidates. Every single one of you would be a better president than you know who. Stop attacking each other. I don’t care what you think of the other Democratic candidate’s policies, history, messages or campaigns. Tell us how you will be a good POTUS if elected, what your policies will be, what you want to accomplish, and how you will go about it. Show solidarity with your fellow candidates. Do not cooperate with the press that wants to make stories out of your infighting. Do not feed attack ideas to the GOP/conservative/white supremacist opposition.
Once disgraced former president Trump is out of office you can go back to fighting with each other. Until then give us the chance to choose a candidate based on what you can tell us about what you will do as president, not what you don’t like about your primary opponents. We can figure how you are different from the other candidates, if you want to compare yourself favorably to someone else guess who that oughta be.
If you don’t knock it off guess who will be re-elected, and it will be your fault.
I thought of starting a thread in elections similar, but almost completely opposite to, this one.
I think a high level of intraparty bickering is a GOOD thing. But only if it’s substantive and issue-based.
Good: criticizing members for saying antisemitic things, criticizing members for weaponizing accusations of antisemitism, criticizing members for wearing blackface, criticizing members for overemphasizing idiocy from a quarter century ago, criticizing members for supporting universal health care, criticizing members for not supporting universal health care.
Bad: criticizing members for kowtowing to party leadership, criticizing members for criticizing members, criticizing members for being old, criticizing members for being young, criticizing members for being part of the establishment, criticizing members for insufficient party loyalty.
We need to have a robust, heated discussion about the direction of the party. Discussions about what we should believe, and how we should achieve it, are fantastic.
But bickering about who’s in the club and who’s not in the club, and personal sniping? That’s the kind of bullshit I’m so, so tired of.
Yeah, I would actually find it troubling if every major Democratic candidate lined up and expressed support for the Green New Deal without vocal criticism and fine tuned constructive observation.
I see nothing in terms of Democratic discussions, debates, and disagreements that hasn’t happened during nearly every single 4 year cycle for an open Democratic presidential primary. This is entirely normal.
Not for those of us who would prefer a president who hasn’t praised, encouraged, or threatened violence on multiple occasions; and who hasn’t bragged about violating the consent of women on multiple occasions; among other things. YMMV on the importance of opposing violence and the abuse of women.
I didn’t say the candidates have to agree on everything, or anything. You’re supposed to be a political party, you’re supposed to have a common political philosophy that sets you apart from the other party. If you can’t state what your personal approach to that is without criticizing others in your party then you don’t have a case to state. This is not the time to decide what the Democratic Party is or should be. You should have been doing that for the last two years. This is the time to oust the worst president in our history. Don’t do what the GOP expects you to do and divide your party.
I think most of the various groups will come around when it comes time for the general election. The biggest concern I have is with Bernie and the Bernie Bros, assuming that Bernie doesn’t get the nomination. Even if Bernie himself comes around, I wonder how many of the Bernie Bros will sit out the general or vote for Trump our of spite.
LOL. Says the guy who continues to gleefully support someone who’s bragged about violating the consent of women and girls on multiple occasions, and who has praised, encouraged, and threatened violence on multiple occasions.
I don’t know about “gleefully”, but yeah, I’m still glad he’s our President and not the “lady” that undermined her husband’s victims. How do you feel about Bill and Hillary Clinton?
I keep hearing this on these boards. It’s so odd, because I am personally acquainted with several Bernie people (all of them white men btw) who did sit out the general election or voted for Jill Stein. This is not some kind of a Manufactured by Russia deal. It’s real, and it could be a real problem, and those of us who wish to defeat Trump should not be pretending otherwise.
Personally attacking women for coming forward and telling their stories is disgusting. Not as disgusting as multiple violations of consent of women and girls, and multiple instances of praising, encouraging, and but it is indeed disgusting. I’m not interested in helping you rationalize your continued (and apparently future, regardless of opponent, based on your words) and gleeful support for a multiple-violator-of-consent of women and girls. That’s on you, and you can’t blame it on anyone else. That you root for him to win when his opponent isn’t known at all, and will almost certainly be someone who hasn’t personally attacked women for coming forward and telling their stories, or bragged about violating the consent of women and girls on multiple occasions, or praised/encouraged/threatened violence on multiple occasions, reveals how little import you placed (and apparently still place) on fighting those issues.
When you continue to support, and apparently will support in the future regardless of opponent, a multiple-violator of consent of women and girls, and a multiple-praiser/encourager/threatener of violence, then you shouldn’t be surprised if folks might think you don’t really care that much about fighting violence or the abuse of women.
Last cycle the Republicans decided that an uninformed, biased, misogynistic, philandering, dissembling reprobate was going to be anointed - how does that translate to you saddling up the Moral High Horse? :dubious: