Perhaps the Democratic party as a whole but trump is not on that list
Most of them do. Especially when he showed up with his secret service protection during the month when he refused to concede to Hillary.
Warren takes the lead! Booooo, SDMB!
Medicare For All will doom them in the general election.
Ah, yes, that unpopular idea of a general entitlement for…everyone.
As long as no one has to pay for it. That’s what trips M4A up. Americans don’t like paying for stuff.
I simply can’t understand the desire of some candidates to get rid of private medical insurance altogether. AFAIK, no country on Earth has that system. Even the most “socialist” European countries have room for private healthcare.
The idea is based off of the Canadian system, where it’s illegal for private insurance to cover anything that the public system covers (so you can have insurance for prescription drugs and dental care, but not insurance that gets you an MRI sooner or in a nicer facility). It would also, as written, cover a lot more than the Canadian system does, so the scope for private insurance would be much smaller than even in Canada.
There’s no real policy reason to do that though. That’s an ideological motivation and American voters don’t really have much patience for getting rid of private insurance just because everyone should be equal or something.
Sure, but American voters are reactionary about any disruption to the health insurance system, however necessary, which is why I find it bizarre that all of the candidates are announcing, before they even know what kind of Congress they have, just how they’d like to disrupt the system. Not just Warren and Sanders, all of them. If/when Biden is the presumptive nominee, we’re going to get hit with weekly corporate think tank reports, some of them quite plausible, showing that Biden has promised to raise taxes by however many billions of dollars and “take away” insurance from tens of millions of people. (His plan is for an expansive public option that will be available to anyone currently on an employer-sponsored plan. There’s no way to actually make that available to people without a payroll tax to replace the employer-side premiums, at which point, lots of employers are just going to say F-it and get out. It will make the “if you like your plan” Obamacare freakout look tiny.)
Ah, that’s good to know, thanks!
I’m not sure how to click, because Who would I like to see as Prez, and Who is best equipped to beat Donald Trump are separate questions. The latter is the more important criterion so I’m voting for Joe and hoping this 77-year-old stays healthy for another 11 months.
I am desperately worried that all the other candidates would be defeated next November by the Machine of Hatred and Lies. (If even Biden loses, it will be because the R’s turn the impeachment proceedings into a 24/7 lie-fest about Biden corruption.)
Liz Warren also has a plan, or so I’ve heard.
Actual, real M4A could be paid for by a simple tax on corps that more or less equals what they pay out for employee health benefits now. No one taxes are increase. You pay a modest premium for parts B, C, D or your company can if they want to. Insurance companies will still sell plenty of insurance.
Sanders plan is a lunatics lie.
There’s a huge difference between some sort of UHC or real medicare for all- and sanders crazy socialized medicine super expensive plan.
Go Joe!
I don’t see that difference, nor do I see how such a difference prevents “some sort of UHC or real medicare for all” being passed after Bernie proposes a “crazy socialized medicine super expensive plan.”
What is your problem with Bernie’s proposal?
At least we know what Bloomberg did as mayor of NYC. Be nice to know what Buttigieg did for McKinsey. (Motto: “Our proposals were too draconian even for ICE.”)
Oh, did you know nobody ever asked Bloomberg about stop-and-frisk until he ran for President, and that’s why he didn’t apologize for it earlier? That’s what he says, but that’s complete and unadulterated bullshit.
Here’s my rankings, but I’m gonna include two sets of candidates as groups.
A) The Flakes: Yang, Gabbard, Williamson.
B) The Just-Go-Away gang: Steyer, Delaney, Patrick. (Bennet should be part of this group too, but I’ll give him extra points for being a U.S. Senator, which IMHO is worth something in terms of understanding how this country is run.)
- Warren
- Castro (who won’t win the nomination, but should get more respect than he’s getting)
- Sanders
4-6) Biden, Klobuchar, Booker - Bennet
- Bloomberg
9-11) The Just-Go-Away gang - Buttigieg
13-15) The Flakes
I haven’t really read up on Klobuchar or Booker enough to say whether they’d be better or worse than Biden, so I lumped them together.
I went back and forth about whether to rank Sanders above Biden & Co. I have serious concerns about whether Sanders would be up to the job: the job he really wants is Leader of the Revolution, and that’s a very different job from President. But I have similar concerns about Biden, just for very different reasons. So I figured better to go with an actual liberal.
In a rare moment of agreement with foolsguinea, I too would rather have Inslee or Gillibrand back than most of these mopes.
The Democratic party will go the time proven strategy of discussing the issues, and then nominating the most senior member of the party, who is next in line, because it is owed to them.
Next up is Joe Biden. Hillary version 2.0. They will ignore the youth and new ideas and nominate the rich, old, white guy. And call it progress. Heads will be scratched in 2020 about what the hell just happened.
I really miss Inslee and think it’s just a sad, sad commentary that this guy was so well-qualified and who possessed such a firm grasp of real issues - and hardly got any attention at all. And no offense to Yang or anyone else, but it’s just a frightening commentary on American democracy when someone like him can poll better than someone like Inslee by talking about what, in real terms, is magical unicorn bullshit. I like Yang as a social thinker, but as a political candidate…GMAF break.