Democrats try to understand rural voters

The New York Times has just published an editorial titled “What Democrats Need to Know to Win in Rural America”, which could be a starting point for a discussion about how Democratic leaders and the liberal media view rural voters.

Broadly there have been two common viewpoints about why rural voters voted for Trump in such high numbers, which could be summarized as (1) They’re evil neo-Nazi white supremacist, sexist, racist, homophobic, bigoted, etc… people who voted for Trump because he’s evil neo-Nazi white supremacist, sexist, racist, homophobic, bigoted, etc… (2) Rural voters are poor little dears who have been abused by corporations and globalization, and who actually are liberal democrats and agree with everything we believe, but they just don’t know it yet.

In her “basket of deplorables speech” Hillary Clinton suggested that half of Trump supporters are one and half are the other. Elsewhere, there’s been a media market for liberal journalists pushing explanation 2. James Fallows, for instance, published a series of articles in the Atlantic a later a book, documenting how he traveled through small-town America and found that the locals apparently all seemed to support higher taxes, more immigration, increased bureaucracy and government initiatives, and everything else that most readers of The Atlantic probably want. Some critics did note that Fallows seemed to prefer speaking with government officials and local hipsters rather than seeking out anyone representing the large conservative majorities in these towns.

And then there’s this New York Times editorial. At the top, it describes the authors this way: “Mr. Leonard is the news director for the Iowa radio stations KNIA and KRLS. Mr. Russell is the owner of Coyote Run Farm and the executive director of Iowa Interfaith Power and Light.” Here’s some of what they tell us about how the Democrats can court rural voters:

A strong Democratic platform with realistic plans for rural America would focus on four themes: demography, infrastructure, farm sustainability and environmental practices that can help combat climate change.

In places with a strong manufacturing base, housing can be scarce. Here in Marion County, which is southeast of Des Moines, there is a lot of demand for housing from workers in manufacturing jobs. But developers are tough to attract: There isn’t much money in building 50 houses in Knoxville, Pleasantville or Pella, compared with constructing hundreds in the Des Moines metro. A federal plan could encourage housing in places like this.

Some south central Iowa manufacturing towns have hundreds of employees who come from surrounding counties, or even Missouri. That pattern of labor flow is common in rural America. If 40 employees can gather in a dirt lot at a highway intersection in the half-hour before shift change and travel together on a bus to work and back, that’s good for the environment and for the rural pocketbook.

The Green New Deal, even with its flaws, is a good place to start.

Rural voters also care about values. Many Iowans are people of faith, a majority of them Christian. Democratic candidates, if they look, will find a rising movement on the Christian left
So apparently rural voters want more government, a Green New Deal, and a Great Awakening of the religious left. Which is probably pretty similar to what the typical liberal reader of The New York Times wants. Indeed, it kind of raises the question of why rural voters haven’t already flocked to the Democratic Party, seeing as their interests apparently match up so well.

Yet other than one paragraph about poor communication by Democratic presidential candidates, that is never addressed.

One wonders whether these two publications or any other liberal publications would ever consider finding an actual rural voter who voters Republican and letting that person write an editorial or two, explaining his or her perspective. Maybe the results would be somewhat different than what you get when a Democrat explains what rural Republican voters want.

So what would be your suggestion of a platform that respects core Democratic values, doesn’t betray any members of the Democratic alliance, and wins over rural voters?

Because it sure is easy to snark from the sidelines, or to offer fake concern, especially when you don’t actually want Democrats to win.

As for your final sentence, are you totally unaware of Hugh Hewitt’s line of smarmy smug lectures to liberals published in the Washington Post?

“Doesn’t betray any members of the democratic alliance” is impossible for any candidate. You can’t really reconcile centrist Democrats with the far left progressive wing other than the fact that they have the (D) and not the (R).

Bill Clinton being Republican-light and the pro corporation pro free trade centrists have very little in common with the progressive wing economically. Anyways, why should the Dems worry about rural farmers? The Dems need to reclaim the rust belt.

Isn’t the reason Clinton lost the rust belt because she lost the rural farmers and other rural voters in greater numbers than Obama did in 2008 and 2012? If so it makes sense to focus on them. Even losing the demographic by a little less would help.

ETA. Some places are of course more conservative, and I think there should be room for a Joe Manchin in the party as much as there is room for AOC.

To a leftist, any such editorial would read as “I am evil neo-Nazi white supremacist, sexist, racist, homophobic, bigoted, etc.”

There have been enough rural towns that have been revived by an influx of refugees (from one or another of the all too great abundance of countries that people have fled for their lives from) that surely rural America in general is aware of those stories. But few towns want to host the next such influx, even though the people who live there can see that their town is dying, the kids are leaving, and the ones who stay can barely find work.

What lesson should I draw from this?

it doesnt take much these days. theres no “woke”/nazi spectrum, its a simple choice between exactly two things. those who are woke know which one you are.

Maybe what we need is a good civil war in which white shit-kicker America shoves its own fist up its own ass.

How about no. Reserve this invective for the Pit.

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Is it disrespectful of core values or betraying members to mention what Democrats believed a generation ago? Bill Clinton didn’t do too badly in rural areas, winning almost all rural counties in Iowa, Minnesota, West Virginia, Louisiana, and his home state of Arkansas, among others. But can you imagine any Democrat saying the things he said on the campaign trail?

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[li]Acknowledging that the tax burden on middle class families causes them problems.[/li][li]Agreeing that some domestic federal programs and regulations are useless or wasteful, and might as well be eliminated.[/li][li]Saying that immigration hurts working class wages and is a problem for many communities.[/li][li]Having a party welcoming to voters and candidates who are pro-life, or otherwise differ from the left on social issues.[/li][/ul]

I wouldn’t say much about the party platform–who reads platforms these days? It’s what the presidential candidates are saying. None of them that I’m aware of would be willing to go in and say to a rural audience, the things that Bill Clinton was happy to say while campaigning.

No. To any “leftist” that I know, and to any media that I read or listen to as representative of rational discourse, such an editorial would be subject to the process known as “fact checking”, and criticized according to such failures as it may have to abide by the standards of factual honesty and media integrity. There really are such things as objective facts, even if Republicans increasingly fail to acknowledge that reality, and even as Trump increasingly spins an entire world of delusion – a house of cards in which virtually nothing that leaves his mouth is true, and none at all is trustworthy.

You mean all the rural Iowa voters I know that state, simply, “I’d vote Democrat if it wasn’t for abortion”?

ITR I’d agree that the communication by a presidential candidate is important to winning more rural voters over. But the communication that matters more than anything else is simply having some respect for them, that they have real challenges and problems, and that trying to address those problems matters too.

HRC’s failed communication was not including them, let alone explicitly and prominently, as among the groups who needed her “ladders of opportunity”.

There have been and are Democrats, including progressive ones, who win rural votes. Sherrod Brown for example wins his state by focusing on economic messaging. Mind you it didn’t get him a majority of rural voters but quite a few.

You can respect rural voters and demonstrate that you care about their problems without pandering to them in ways that undercut your values or your support with your other important demographics.

@ ITR champion – I read some of Fallows’ articles but missed this claim. Do you have a cite for it? Or even a cite that “most readers of The Atlantic probably want … increased bureaucracy”?

Thanks in advance.

Sorry, I forgot where I was.

Too lazy and hung over to look now but if I recall correctly, one of the main reasons she lost was not getting out the urban constituencies who typically vote for her in what were considered to be democratic stronghold states. The flip side is that Donald Trump inspired rural voters, many of whom had either voted very rarely or not at all or not consistently for one party or the other.

So we have an opinion piece by two people who would seem to be in touch with their communities (one guy handles the news for a country and gospel music station, the other a minister who has a master’s degree in rural sociology), and just because their policies have a liberal bent to them, you proclaim that the authors are out-of-touch idiots.

Your OP would be a lot more concise if you just said “Liburals SUCKS!!” Par for the course, I guess.

There’s an assumption here and in these articles that the “rural vote” is one, single ideologically homogeneous block, but rural issues can be just as complex as anywhere else. Election results just show who got more votes in the end in one area; in some cases the numbers can be very close. But if a candidate’s message has to be conveyed in 30-second TV ads, and if people otherwise are listening to talk radio, then usually the candidate who is better at propaganda will get the advantage. Rural areas are by definition more spread out and less dense, so it’s more difficult to speak directly to groups of voters and really address issues. This is a question of media.

That’s pretty much it.

This is the harsh reality, the abortion thing is to make themselves feel important because they really don’t contribute much to this country. These people aren’t farmers, America’s bread basket is owned by a few millionaires and billionaires now. Everybody else is just getting by and spreading ignorance while the rest of us pay to support their mismanaged states.

I think one big thing Democrats need to do to appeal to rural voters is leave the 2nd amendment alone. I’ve never understood why overall Democrats are against guns and Republicans are for them. You would think authoritarian Republicans wouldn’t want guns in the hands of the people. And Democrats with their support for minority and marginalized groups, you would think they would want those groups to have the right of self-defense.

Liberals: Same sex marriage, absolutely. Immigration, more is better. Drugs, sure. Abortions, yes. Guns, no they are dangerous and might hurt someone!