I apologize for assuming that the majority of posters would be prefer to converse with those that are willing to listen to, and be open to, viewpoints other than their own. I would hope the OP would be willing to listen to evidence, just as much as I am.
A Personal Demon, by Richard Brown, David Bischoff, and Linda Richardson – hell of a book to have three authors! – presents a fictionalized account of a pretty nice demon, actually. Fun little book, rather in the Urban Fantasy genre.
Ultimately, why not? If demons revolted against the rule of God, why shouldn’t a number of them likewise revolt against the rule of Satan?
Given that you are not any religion, which God do you believe in?? How do you know (particularly since the topic at hand is demons and I seem to recall reading somewhere that they are good at fooling people) that what you “see and hear and know and feel” is real? How do you know you saw a vision of Archangel Michael instead of some greater demon dressed up to look like Michael?
We accept your apology.
Point of order. Devils are the fallen angels. I do not believe demons had ever been part of the heavenly host.
Does anyone but TSR (sorry, Wizards of the Coast) actually separate them out like that?
Well, I’m hip to the whole “demon within” thingy … I think even the best of us occasional have evil thoughts … we’re not supposed to covet our neighbor’s wife and “just looking” is a terrible excuse to set up the video cameras in her bathroom.
With this is mind, I think OP is externalizing these demons, for whatever reason. That might be bad karma for you, when you die if you have more bad karma than good karma, you might be reincarnated as a cockroach or an oak tree. As far as I know, all the demons that are nice get returned as house cats … and hawthorn bushes come back as slime mold … don’t tempt the gods of dharma, they have wicked senses of humor …
Dump the motherfucker already.
Arent they in a common law marraige at this point?
Not me. I was an unremarkable, never bathed, slave who shoveled horseshit all day from 1462-1478.
Of everyone alive in some “Golden Age”, very few lived well, most of us lived under such conditions as to make the lives of the current North Korean slaves sent to work cheap in the Mideast and Eastern Europe look absolutely luxurious.
IOW: You weren’t Caesar, or even a Senator - you were the person who carried the firewood.
If I had the power of demons I wouldn’t care a fig what humans do. Just like I do not concern myself with the lives of ants on my sidewalk.
It’s not a waste of time if our time is worthless.
OP, not sure how you found this board, but I don’t think you are going to find the kind of answers you are looking for here.
You’re welcome to stay of course. Just saying, you should be forewarned that the members of this board tend to be very secular.
Grin! Wicked rebuttal!
In the usual Christian mythos, the two words are synonymous. Demons are Devils, and Devils are Demons.
To say otherwise requires Satan to be able to create a new order of entities, which Christianity canonically forbids. (Although, to be sure, they’ve been wrong before.)
A lot of Christian lore about demons and hell is essentially fan fiction. If you want to think they’re misunderstood bad boys, sure, why not.
The entities with the closest match to your description while sticking to the Abrahamic tradition are Islamic Jinn.
Demons can be made to do ‘good’ things by command of authority. But yes they can do good things, and typically would do so for things they care about, including their humans that they may feel a connection to. Not as a dog trying to please their owner, but sort of the affection a jailkeeper may feel for a particular inmate that they connected with, and wishing them well as they are being released.
Not sure why you ask, but yes, plausible.
They are more non-respecting humanity, and self serving then hating humanity. Much like how some people treat animals, or people of different races. Some demons are of different star systems and from other life realms and have not had contact with humans, so can’t say they hate humans.
Yes, it is a way that God has made to get to their hearts.
Knowing the name indicates a relationship and identity, thus the ability for a power dynamic which may or may not give another power over it. One has a better chance with a known enemy then an unknown enemy. The name is usually accompanied with known traits and potential weaknesses. In that assigning a name to a demon can be equally effective.
In the end all evil will be transformed for the greater good. Any evil used against you that you transform will also accelerate the demons restoration (to angelic form).
With all that said demons can be very deceptive.
Not to get all GQ on everyone, but in some Jewish mythologies, the archangel Samael is portrayed as a demon who nonetheless acts in the service of God. He basically does the “wetwork” other angels won’t touch, such as killing the Egyptian firstborn.
No, because as much as you would like them to, demons don’t exist.
No.
No, no, and no because demons don’t exist.
No.
Knowing a demon’s name doesn’t give you power over anything because demons don’t exist.
As someone alluded upthread, this is probably not the board for you. You are either pulling our legs, or you have allowed yourself to become deluded. I understand that people find meaning in their lives in many different ways, and if this helps get you through your day, more power to you. Just don’t expect many here to commiserate. I don’t mean to sound harsh, but this board’s goal is to fight ignorance, not promote it.
Sounds like you have attached yourself, perhaps unwittingly, to a lot of supernatural mumbo jumbo as a coping mechanism for some possibly unpleasant things that have happened in your life. Past lives, Reiki, archangels, demons; if this is your reality then things are only going to get tougher for you.
Ifill,
I read your OP with an increasing sense of unease.
I believe in the existence of angels and demons, of course, but I don’t pretend to know a whole lot about them. Christian scriptures actually talk very little about the details of demonology, beyond establishing that they exist and that Jesus Christ dispelled them. I think there’s a reason for that: dealing with dark spiritual forces isn’t good for us, and the less we interact with them, or try to think about them, the better. Now, I’m all for thinking imaginatively about angels and demons in terms of speculative fiction and the like, but the kind of thing you’re suggesting involves actually trying to interact with the supernatural realm. This is something that Christianity, at least, from its beginnings, has warned against in the strongest terms. Stay far away, even if you think some spiritual power is trying to ‘work with’ you. The New Testament suggests that the devils can appear as angels of light, if they want. It’s good that you do, at least, seek the protection of the archangels.
To your more direct question, in terms of whether there are spiritual forces that are ‘neutral’, orthodox Christianity generally says no: there are angels and then there are demons/devils, with not a whole lot in between. Some other religions, as well as some individual Christians, have disagreed though. Hinduism posits the existence of nature-spirits which are not clearly categorized as either good or evil: C.S. Lewis in his Christian-themed fiction toyed with the idea of ‘neutral’ spirits, and hypothesized that summoning these sorts of neutral spirits was the subject of some pre-Christian magic, and then of course some Christian heresies like the Gnostics posited all sorts of supernatural entities at various levels in between God and Man, some of which aren’t easily categorized as good or evil.
I’d assume he is open to the possibility, but finds the arguments for the nonexistence of demons unconvincing, as do I.