Inigo will now ramble a scary ramble about DEMONS!

First, the terminology (or “preramble”):
DEVIL refers to any of the heavenly spirits that fell from grace in the uprising against God (This is a loose description of the event); Alternatively DEVIL refers to their leader who is not specifically named in the text which recounts the event, but who is often believed to be Satan.

DEMON refers to the spirits of the giant offspring of devils and human wimmin. Demons were created on Earth, and so their spirits must remain here, and have no access to Heaven. Human spirits were created in Heaven and there they return. The giants, you will recall, were spurned by their full-blooded human brethren because they strained the food resources to sustain their enormity. Hungry, they exercised Solomon-esque wisdom and took to eating humans–end of the conflict. But they never forgave humans for their cruelty, and adopted the program of their fathers and bent their will toward the destruction of God’s creation.
And now, The Ramble.
Demons are widely regarded as evil because they are thought to possess human bodies and use them as vehicles for dastardly deeds. I call bollocks on this detail. Such openly hostile entities would soon be identified and avoided if not destroyed. Not only is that interpretation simplistic & medieval, it is also just plain wrong.

Demons are so dangerous because they are impossible to identify. It is through our inability to know a demon when we see one that they gain the license to destroy us so completely. They remain unknown because they themselves do not know what they are! The destruction they wreak is as completely unintentional as the pain a tiger causes its prey. Both are merely acting according to their nature, the tiger kills and killing is never painless for the victim; the demon in turn acts according to its nature and generates the spiritual and emotional agony upon which it feeds.

We all know a demon, for they are many. Think of any small group of people who are hopeless, depressed, dissatisfied with their lives to the point of absolute despair. And isn’t there someone in their midst with an attachment to each who’s every endeavor seems to be one of ernest succour? He always wants to help, always is acting in the moment to just make people feel better, even if only for a little while; and when that moment is over, their troubles are compounded by the thoughtlessness of their actions in his presence, and their confusion and lack of direction blossoms into full blown despair…and the need for the demon increases as surely as an addiction requires increasingly greater doses–until a lethal limit is discovered.

And the demon knows not what it is, for it is born of woman, embodied of flesh and raised amongst the flock which will become its prey. So subtle and unconscious is its need for grief that it will surround itself with the outcast, the downtrodden, the hapless victims of man’s inhumanity to man…and it will nurture them, and bleed them until they wither. What man can possibly damn a demon to a fate worse than the one its creator’s Creator forsaw and saw fit to permit? In its innocence it leads souls to their own willing destruction, and the despair of those souls as they wither is contagious. It draws other people into the circle, who would give freely of themselves in an effort to comfort their brethren. Once weakened, the demon steps up and wields pity on the newcomer and the noose tightens around yet another victim.

Had the kids for the weekend?

Maybe an In-Law or two?

Are demons really good at giving oral sex? (hence the term, ‘demon in the sack’ or was it ‘devil’? :confused: ) Because if so, then I’m one helluva demon :smiley:

sexy dance

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heh…we managed to get that worked out for the most part. We’ll not be feeding the lawyers this time around. We’re not at “Marital Bliss” yet, but we’re about 75% of the way there. I’m an angel, that’s why.
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However, you are not far off on your assumption about the inspiration of the OP. I had HIM in mind as my model example, but I’ve known others who feed on misery and weakness of character and don’t seem to know it. I feed on happiness and victory over human weakness–my own successes as well as that which I inspire in others. Yeah, I’m pretty cool. Clinically insane, it turns out, but pretty cool nonetheless. :smiley:

Shoot, I knew that guy with the red eyes and fangs that I banged in the nightclub bathroom last weekend seemed…well…he was kind of a dick. I guess he was actually a devil. Time for the abortion pill lest I spawn a DEMON!!! Mwa-ha-ha-ha!!!

BTW, I’ve also heard of such people referred to as “psychic vampires.” But still an interesting theory you’ve got worked out there.

Any biblical or traditional backup for the devil/demon differences, or is this ‘demons are halfbreed devils’ stuff new, under your trademark? Cause it’s cool, I’ve just never run across it before.

(I’m familiar with the lawful/chaotic difference, but I’m not willing to admit that here.)

The Book of Enoch (discovered in late 1800s after the King James edition and so not included) gives some detail about the fall of devils and the creation of demons. How John Milton came up with a parallel story much MUCH earlier than that pretty much blows my mind. A simple task, to be sure, but still…

The details of the demons that walk among us and prey upon us–the psychic vampires example–that’s mine. To ask for more would get you my entire perspective on souls, brains, God … the whole schmear. And if I put that all down here for free, then what’s left for any future publication$? :wink:

Okay. The scary part is not the original ramble; but that last post of yours made it seem like you’re serious. And that is scary.

Don’t worry if the pill doesn’t work. There’s a good hospital in Denmark where they are used to women giving such births. Well, at least one.

Inigo, I love you, but are you on the drugs?

We’re all trying to find our way in the dark, Homey. Some follow a light, content with the knowledge that the light streams from God’s kitchen and that warmth and home cooked meals await. Some others of us are concerned that the same light comes from God’s bug zapper or maybe Satan’s kitchen (where the food is not so good so I’m told) and that the dark is as safe a bet as any.

What if I am serious? Have you evidence that I’m wrong that you’d give to me? Or would you accept my views as simply different from yours? Would you persecute? Or would you live and let live?

Oooooookay. Thank you for sharing that with us today, Inigo.

Now don’t go getting a persecution complex. I’d just keep the pointy things safely locked up and be careful not to make any sudden movements.

I, for one, am more concerned about the devils who wok among us.

First of all, I’m going to use this as vernacular: “Man, that guy must be on the drugs!”

Second, I know what you’re referring to. No. But fear not, my psychosis dosn’t set me so far adrift. Well. I’m not headed for a street corner with my foil hat & condiments at any rate. I only believe the OP in a very general sort of way–The Devil’s in the details! And I don’t pretend to be able to identify demons in real life, although there are certainly people I feel better not being near. Just a whimsy that holds slightly more water for me than the tattered doctrine to which much of the Western World clings. And it seemed a bit mundane & pointless when taken out of context.

Inigo, I was just kidding. Honest. Can I make it up to you?

It shouldn’t. The folk tradition of Grigori, angels known as Watchers, who had abandoned their duties to protect and teach humanity and decided to have sex with women instead, goes back a long ways. IIRC the only mention of such things in canon texts are ‘The nephilim were in the earth in those days’ and ‘the sons of heaven abandoned their duty and fell for the daughters of men’. You’d have to ask a better Talmud scholar than I what Nephilim means. It is usually translated to English as giant. That verse was actually used when the Cardiff Giant was ‘discovered’. The second verse likely refers not to angels, but to scholars and clergy. The theme of righteous men turning their back on their duties to G-d and their people due to lust reccurs throughout the Bible.

There may be some people that aren’t familiar with Inigo. I believe he’s schizophrenic. Is that right? Are you declining to take your meds at this time? Which is perfectly within your rights.

:: sigh ::
Always making trubl aren’t we? :wink:

Yeah, fruitier than a nutcake and unmedicated but under control. But in all seriousness that has nothing to do with this, my dearie. Let’s not make this something it’s not … say, when did you get the horns? :dubious: