Dems should confirm Kavanaugh as soon as possible

LOL. The statistics tell us the opposite.

Have a cite for this? Pretty sure the first sentence is wildly false.

Here’s just a couple of examples - from two years ago:

NONE of this was true, btw. Nobody was marching for Micah Johnson.

But Trump spread this complete fabrication that angry blacks in cities all across the country were marching in support of the man who killed five law enforcement officers, and that “11 cities [were] potentially in a blow-up stage,” as if we were about to experience a re-enactment of the way the cities erupted after MLK’s assassination.

He was selling a story about how the race war was coming at us, whether we liked it or not. And not the least part of it was true. Hard to be more racist than that.

And as Marshall notes in that piece, this was in the wake of Trump’s repeated (and equally bogus) claims that American Muslims across the river in New Jersey celebrated and cheered as the Twin Towers fell on 9/11.

Selling race-based fear and hatred. That’s what Trump does. What a genuinely evil man.

The “labor rate”? Which one? Knock yourself out.

Certainly a rate that “defines the percent of population” doesn’t narrow it down at all. :slight_smile:

This tactic for rebuttal will not work well for you, not in this instance. All the evidence was provided by you, after all.

Nothing is going to stop Kavanaugh from getting in, as long as republicans want him in. No “disqualifying thing” democrats find. Nothing. Kavanaugh is disqualified by democrats already by virtue of being picked Trump. Republicans will nuke him in if need be, well before November.

The only way he doesn’t get in is republicans don’t want him in. And that will only be if he’s viewed as not conservative enough. I’ve looked at Trump’s next picks. Kavanaugh is not a bad choice compared to what you could get. Barrett would be a big FU to democrats.

That’ll earn you a warning, jayjay. Don’t wish harm on other posters, even sideways.

The only way dems stop Kavanaugh from getting in is delaying the vote till after the midterms and then winning back the Senate. Both are a long shot.

The dems have a bit of a shot at delay in demanding all of Kavanaugh’s records from when he was Bush’s staff secretary and in the White House counsel’s office. Right now the administration seems to be saying his ~300 legal opinions as a judge are the only relevant documents and do not want to give up the other stuff (which some say may be a million pages of stuff).

Dems have precedent for the request on their side. When Elena Kagan was going through the nomination process the reps, led by Jeff Sessions, demanded something similar (and got around 150,000 I think). Not that this precedent will matter to reps even a little bit.

Personally I think the Dems are better off letting Kavanaugh in. It is all a bit too much of a long shot to stop him and he is replacing Kennedy who was only barely friendly to liberals in a few narrow circumstances.

Then let the republicans explain to their base why Roe is still in place (or rather Casey) even though they hold all the levers of power. Let the scare over Roe rally liberals. If the dems keep Kavanaugh out by the time the midterm rolls around it will only server to rally republican voters.

I think we are stuck taking a step back before moving forward on this one. It may take another couple shitty decades to get the swill out but we will get there.

[sub]“I do not pretend to understand the moral universe; the arc is a long one, my eye reaches but little ways; I cannot calculate the curve and complete the figure by the experience of sight; I can divine it by conscience. And from what I see I am sure it bends towards justice.” ~Theodore Parker[/sub]

I expect the Dems to put up a spirited and forthright objection, but to hold the line against pointless obstruction. Mr K’s record is clear, his reactionary opinions are an open book. I gather that some of those opinions even raise eyebrows among the cramped and constipated Federalist Society, the kind of people who think that little bitch Al Hamilton was too much a populist. These things should be openly discussed and argued, so that we know just exactly what level of horror we can expect.

Then pick themselves up, dust themselves off, check for loose teeth. Fighting against money and power is a long war, and we are going to lose battles. Tactic wise, I think he should be closely questioned about Roe. He will evade, and claim to have no set opinion, claim to be open minded. This will convince and assure nobody. Hell, it might infuriate both the pro-life factions and pro-choice.

If you rush to put him in you lose the opportunity to eliminate him on ethics or character. That is the only realistic scenario for a course of action that favors the dem side over the near term, so you don’t cross it off right at the beginning. If he gets squashed it will be a huge dem win.

If you don’t think that’s realistic talk to Mitch McConnell. He knows how to stay in the game. It wasn’t realistic to try and steal a seat either.

Typical leftie, refusing to admit that under Trump, the percent of population has gone way up.

That’s not how it works. You made the claim, you back it up.

…thanks for all the fish.

No Trump hasn’t done a damn thing to provide more jobs to the community.

This isn’t Trumps issue. This is **your **issue.

The African American community is not correctly characterised by people in their 50’s who missed out on higher ed. If you wanted to talk about that particular demographic then you should have said so.

And jobs that don’t require a higher education, only require low skill, and which will probably not even give them enough hours to pay them a living wage are not good options for people in their 50’s. I’m nearly 50 myself and my body is already falling apart. These sorts of jobs are painful. And stressful. And they hurt. And you struggle and you can’t get decent healthcare so what you see as a good thing I see as pretty fucking miserable.

Which ones in particular? Can you point to specific causes and effects?

He’s literally destroying Obama’s coattails. And he is taking the rest of the country down with him.

Changing things for the sake of change isn’t necessarily a good thing. Changing them because Obama did it is a pretty fucking stupid thing, and that, by and large, is the reason why Trump is doing what he is doing.

Cite please.

I’m saying exactly what I said.

This is a fiction. A fantasy. A cliche. A talking point. A pipe dream. An ideal.

In America you can work hard and play by all the rules but find yourself bankrupt and homeless because the insurance company decides not to pay your medical expenses.

In America you can break all the rules.

Every single one of them.

You can lie.

You can cheat.

You can not pay your contractors.

You can slander.

You can fucking swear.

You can abuse.

You can sexually assault.

You can cheat on your spouse.

And you can get away with all of that and end up the most powerful person on the planet.

There are no consequences if you decide to cheat to win. You are rewarded for being an arsehole.

That’s the reality of America.

You could say that, and you have said that.

You could say a lot of other things too.

What doesn’t change is the text that you wrote that I originally replied too.

That the African American community should be grateful that President Trump has instituted a policy that punishes vulnerable people who are escaping literal murderers by locking them in cages and taking away their children. That there is a very good chance that thousands of children will never be reunited with their parents. That those children will suffer.

That they should be grateful that these people are no longer allowed in the country so that they could have their jobs instead. These unskilled, low-paying jobs that probably won’t give them enough money to provide them with a living wage. That this is all they deserve.

No. This is not a better life. This is a tragedy. This is a disgrace. Its despicable and disgusting and it goes against everything the United States of America is supposed to stand for. Truth. Justice. Freedom. What Trump has done spits in the face of Lady Liberty.

The black community don’t need to watch the media to see what is happening to them every single day. They don’t need to be “educated.” They don’t need your propaganda. They simply have to walk out the front door.

I am curious if you are repeating a talking point or if you have any evidence for this. If you do have evidence can you point us to it? Because the data does not seem to support your claim:

:smiley:

Does OP and others agreeing with him in this thread not realise that Supreme Court judges are on the bench for a lifetime, and thus can make rulings that are not immediately irreversible and can last several generations?

This is absolutely not something the Dems should look the other way for. Everything they’ve ever fought for can and will be undone by a court that’s tilted towards right wing sentiments. If they quietly yield to that, then they will prove that is no point in supporting the Democratic Party. Who cares if they alienate independents and “moderate” Dems? The same group of people that either voted for a third party candidate or stayed home during the last election because “both candidates are equally terrible”. Being too concerned with appeasing moderates and centrists is a big part of why they’ve fallen out of favour with their constituents over the past decade. The demographics are shifting and the electorate is becoming younger, more ethnically diverse and increasingly female. Those aforementioned groups of people tend to be unapologetically leftist and demand more progressive policies from the Democrats. So capitulating to right wingers in the name of not rocking the boat is actually the worst thing they could do to guarantee favourable turnout in November. People generally don’t vote Democrat because they want a lite version of the Republicans.

Unemployment is down under trump. Where they heck are you getting your news?

I said, " During Obama, the labor rate, which defines the percent of population actually went down! Its back up under Trump. "
Your proof See the 10 year chart, where the USA labor rate dived down under Obama. ITs slowly trending up under Trump.

I’m still waiting for you to show me one racist statement made by Trump and saying there were bad people on both sides of a street confrontation proves NOTHING.

As I correctly stated before, Since trump took office, Un-employment is down from, and the labor rate is back up.

Why some here can’t simply accept facts is a problem. If your Latino or Hispanic their unemployment numbers are near record lows. If Obama did this, he’s get a medal and the news would talk about it 24 x 7.

When Trump does this, they hardly mention it. Omission of positive news plagues left leaning voters. You’re rally not watching the news, you’re watching a narrative.

“Down from” what? The 42% Trump claimed was the real unemployment rate two years ago? That would be considered a jaw-dropping lie from any other President, even W. But with Trump, the lies come so thick and fast that nobody even remembers it.

So, Silver Lining, you still haven’t clarified which definition of the labor rate you mean, nor even acknowledged that your one attempt at an explanation didn’t make any linguistic sense.

Yes, isn’t it though?

He did. They didn’t. At least Fox and Breitbart didn’t.

While whatever you’re watching is reporting facts, right?