Descendants of George III

In this thread, Guinastasia commented that:

I disagreed with that, and, to satisfy my own curiosity as much as anything else, did do the research on the descendants of George III:

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[li]George Augustus Frederick (George IV, King of England), b. 12 Aug 1762, d. 26 June 1830. Only legitimate child, Caroline Augusta, b. 7 Jan (?) 1796, d.s.p. 6 Nov 1817.[/li]Illegitimate children: Georgina Frederica Augusta Elliot, b. 1782. George Milbanke, b. 1784, d.s.p. young.
[li]Frederick Augustus Duke of York, b. 16 Aug 1763, d. 20 Jan 1827. No legitimate children.[/li]One illegitimate son: Charless Hesse, killed by (ironically) Count Léon, Napoleon’s illegitimate son*.
[li]William Henry (William IV, King of England), b. 21 Aug (?) 1765, d. 20 Jun 1837. Eight legitimate children, but only three lived long enough to be named: William b. 1784, d.s.p. 1807; Charlotte Augusta Louisa, b. and d.s.p. 21 Mar 1819; Elizabeth Georgiana Adelaide, b. 10 Dec 1820, d.s.p 4 Mar 1821.[/li]Also ten illegitimate children by Dorothea Bland; surname Fitzclarence. The male line became extinct in 1901 with the death of William George 2[sup]nd[/sup] Earl of Munster, Wiliam IV’s grandson. Female lines still exist (Viscount de L’isle, etc.).
[li]Charlotte Augusta Matilda, Princess Royal, b. 29 Sep 1766, d. 6 Oct 1828. No surviving children.[/li][li]Edward Augustus Duke of Kent, b. 2 Nov 1767, d. 23 Jan 1820. One legitimate child, Queen Victoria; ‘nuff said. Some illegitimate sons by Julie de St. Laurent.[/li][li]Augusta Sophia, b. 8 Nov 1768, d.s.p. 22 Sep 1840.[/li][li]Elizabeth, b. 22 May 1770, d. 10 Jan 1840. No living descendants.[/li][li]Ernest Augustus 1[sup]st[/sup] Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale and King of Hanover, b. 5 Jun 1771, d. 18 Nov 1851. Legitimate male line still exits (his son, George V, was deposed in 1866, and the British titles were removed in 1919).[/li][li]Augustus Frederick Duke of Sussex, b. 27 Jan 1773, d. 4 May 1843. His marriages were declared to be in violation of the Royal Marriages Act and annulled. His only son, Sir Augustus d’Este, d.s.p. 28 Dec 1848. His legitimate daughter, Mlle. Augusta d’Este, d.s.p. 21 May 1866. His illegitimate daughter, Lucy Tranter, also d.s.p.[/li][li]Adolphus Frederick, 1[sup]st[/sup] Duke of Cambridge, b. 24 Feb 1774, d. 8 Jul 1850. His son, George 2[sup]nd[/sup] Duke of Cambridge, d. 1904. His marriage was declared contrary to the Royal Marriages Act, and his eldest two sons were born out of wedlock (although he did eventually marry their mother). Surname of the sons was FitzGeorge. The male FitzGeorge line became extinct in 1960. The female FitzGeorge line still exists (Balfour). Legitimate female Cambridge lines still exist (Prince of Lippe, etc.).[/li][li]Mary, b. 25 Apr 1776, d.s.p. 30 Apr 1857.[/li][li]Sophia Matilda, b. 2 Nov 1777, d. 27 May 1848. She never married, but did have an illegitimate son, Thomas Garth, who d.s.p. after 1839.[/li][li]Octavius, b. 23 Feb 1779, d.s.p. 3 May 1783.[/li][li]Alfred, b. 22 Sep 1780, d.s.p. 20 Aug 1782.[/li][li]Amelia, b. 7 Aug 1783, d.s.p. 2 Nov 1810.[/li][/list=1]

Akatsukami, I’m a bit puzzled by this statement. I thought that William was only married once, to Princess Adelaide, born 1792, whom he married in 1818, after the death of Princess Charlotte in childbirth? Was William married earlier to someone else?

The thread link from the OP is not working…
For what it is worth, my understanding was that the Victorian era sexual repression resulted from the behaviours of George IV, not George III.

jti writes:

My sources (Stammtafeln and the like) say that William IV was indeed married to Caroline von Linsingen (the younger William’s mother). I should point out (as I did not before) that there are no records of the marriage, other than Caroline’s claim that it happened. This may have been a shotgun wedding between William and Caroline (like that between William’s sister Elizabeth and George Ramus), or a morganatic one since Caroline certainly didn’t have ebenbürtigkeit[sup]1[/sup] with William. Or, of course, my sources may simply be wrong; I don’t claim them to be on a par with Torah.

[sup]1[/sup][sub]I don’t think that there’s an English synonym for ebenbürtigkeit; in fact, since morganatic marriages don’t exist in the U.K., there’s no need for one. Ebenbürtigkeit is “equalness” (in terms of noble descent and status) between man and wife.[sub]

Fight my ignorance here, please - what’s d.s.p.?

d.s.p. = decessit sine prole, died without children. Sometimes interpreted as though it were an abbreviation for died sans progeny (the same meaning). We get the same sort of harmless confusion over R.I.P. (requiscat in pace/rest in peace).

There are variations on it like “d.s.p.m” (died without male children), etc.

Hello

I must say that you did not do your research very well as the
Augustus Frederick Duke of Sussex, b. 27 Jan 1773, d. 4 May 1843. His marriages were declared to be in violation of the Royal Marriages Act and annulled. His only son, Sir Augustus d’Este, d.s.p. 28 Dec 1848. His legitimate daughter, Mlle. Augusta d’Este, d.s.p. 21 May 1866. His illegitimate daughter, Lucy Tranter, also d.s.p.

(1) The link at the start of the OP no longer works: it should be http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=62158

(2) This thread is more than 10 years old:-- It’s what’s called a “zombie thread” around these parts.

Hello

I must say that you did not do your research very well as the information you posted is not completely correct with Regards Lucy Beaufoy Tranter…

Lucy Beaufoy Tranter the illegitimate of the Duke of Sussex married twice… the 1st time was on 15 Feb 1834 at St George, Hanover Square, Westminster, London England… she married Charles George Tranter… from this marriage they only had one child Fanny/Francis Tranter born 27 Oct 141 at Strand, London, England and she was baptised on 19 Mar 1848 at Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England…

Lucy Beaufoy Tranter nee Tranter husband and Fanny Tranters father Charles George Tranter died in 1848.

Then Lucy Beaufoy Tranter nee Tranter married a 2nd time on 31 May 1849 at St Peter’s, Pimlico, London, England to George Thomee.

Lucy Beaufoy Thomee formely Tranter nee Tranter died in 1858 in Poplar, London, England and her 2nd husband George Thomee died in 1859 in Jan 1859 in Poplar, Middlesex, England.

Fanny Tranter 1841-1895 married Edward Skillet Neagle and they had 7 children between 1860 & 1881… their 1st child died aged 4yrs and the other 6 all married and had their own families…

If you want confirmation that my information is correct and your’s not with regards Lucy having died without issue you can research the info that I have provided and you and also visit the British National Archive website as Lucy left a will and she bequeathed the little she had to he only child Franny Tranter… their is also info on the Ancestry website… if you do decided to trace the Last Will & Testament Of Lucy you need to search for the Will of Lucy Thomee… the probate date of the will was Probate Date: 15 Aug 1865… the National Archive also have copy of a newspaper from the period stored along with the Will of Lucy Beaufoy Tranter…

I know this information to be true because I am blood related and to Lucy’s Son In Law Edward Skillet Neagle and of course related by marriage to Lucy her daughter and descendants… and because of being blood related to Edward Skillet Neagle I am also blood related to Lucy grand children and all of their descendants…

Lucy not by marriage but by blood is the 1st/full cousin to Queen Victoria… as Lucy father is Augustus Frederick Hanover, 1srt Duke Sussex 1780-1862 was the brother of Edward Augustus Hanover, Duke Kent 1767-1820 is teh father ov Queen Victoria.

One of Lucy’s great grand daughters… birth name Florence Marjorie Robertson… stage name Dame Anna Neagle (Neagle being her mothers maiden name) became a famous British actress and the ironic thing is that she played Queen Victoria in a Film titled Sixty Glorious Years…

Dame Anna Neagle the actress is the 6th cousin of one of my great grandmothers making her my 6th Cousins 3 times removed.

I hope that all of the info I have proved helps with your research and the correcting of the error… and I hope that you also find it a little interesting!

Cheers… James