That Obamacare replacement bill that’s gonna kick 14 million people off insurance in the first year? That one?
If I sneak into your medicine cabinet and replace all your Advil with strychnine, you might call that your Advil Replacement Medicine, but that’s just cuz you’re special.
If you were actually literate and not a caveman, you’d know that that isn’t the final version of the bill–indeed, Mr. Trump has signaled that he is going to back a more conservative alternative to the current Obamacare 2.0, given the disastrous effects it would have. A more conservative repeal of Obamacare, all its dreaded taxes is going to do the trick (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-obamacare-repeal-conservatives-236018).
How can a repeal be more conservative? It’s the replacement plan that can be more or less conservative.
A more conservative plan will be worse than the current.
I did, as a matter of fact.
As a matter of another fact, I was calling you out for referring to it as an Obamacare bill.
You’re nineteen? I guess that explains a lot.
No, it’s true, and after World War III kills off the sicker weaker older Americans, insurance rates will drop!
Of course it’s not the final version of the bill. It’s the version that’s out there for scrutiny. The final version of the bill is unavailable for criticism, so your faith in it is charming in much the same way that my four-year-old daughter’s faith in unicorns is charming. Note, though, that the changes discussed in that article, while purely theoretical at this point, do nothing to soften the criticism I’ve offered the bill; on the contrary, they’d kick even more people off insurance, make sure that more people die of preventable causes.
Also, I have a bit of advice for you, take it or leave it. You wanna know what adults don’t ever do? Go around repeatedly insisting that they’re grownups. Teenagers do that, sure. But when you keep telling us that you’re a man, it’s a bit like the eight grader who puts on way too much makeup in hopes that people will see her as a woman.
No, I’m not a leftist.
Regards,
Shodan
If “it is possible” is a confident assertion, then it is possible that you are stupid.
Regards,
Shodan
I don’t think Spicer’s words (…allows you to be here) were a threat, but I think it’s reasonable to consider that they might have been (consciously or not) revealing about Spicer’s beliefs about ethnicity – that Spicer may not think of brown-skinned Americans as quite as authentically American (or some similar sort of nonsense) as white Americans.
Watching SDMB conservatives these months really underscores how, of all the underlying trends that get tossed around to explain Trump, the most powerful is probably just partisanship. Shodan will probably vote Trump in 2020 because of how unfairly the left has treated him.
You might even want to say, we have to pass the bill so that we can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.
CMC fnord!
Yeah, but your version of a leftist is like Zell Miller.
Did you happen to read the first post in this thread? :smack:
I was polite, in the spirit of your own OP. YOU decided that calling me stupid was a civil response to my inquiry. You did assert that what spicer meant was here in the apple store. I don’t see how that can be determined.
You said
Actually Spicer said “be here” - as in “here in the Apple store screaming mindless insults as opposed to whatever loony bin you escaped from”.
That was the confident assertion i questioned. After you did admit it was possible that spicer thought she was " imported."
Your initial interpretation - the “actually he said here in the store” was so confident that you believe that she thought it was racist to say America is a great country.
Shodan, this is really disappointing.
I opened your thread actually hoping for some reasonable suggestions on how to open up constructive bipartisan dialogue; something which is sorely needed (but which, in hindsight, was a foolish expectation for the Pit).*
Instead, I see it’s just you griping about perceived Liberal hypocrisy.
Not to worry, I thought, I’ll just see what he’s upset about and then we can come together in agreement that irrational screaming, harassment and violence are no way to engage in political debate and should be roundly condemned. God bless you for giving me the chance to show that even a bleeding heart lefty can condemn irrationality and violence when it happens on my side of the fence.
But no, sadly, I can’t even do that.
Case one: Sure, the lady was obnoxious, but she wasn’t screaming or irrational. And Spicer’s response is indeed highly suspect. You don’t have to see it as racism if you don’t want to, but don’t pretend that, all circumstances considered, it cannot be reasonably interpreted as such.
(And good lord, those Fox News hosts are insufferable.)
Case two: The article says only that fireworks were allegedly set off in the state Capitol (dangerous and stupid), that Linwood Kaine was arrested while taking part in the protest (which suggests the police saw reason to arrest him, but doesn’t mean he was responsible for the fireworks), that he had a scuffle with the police (doesn’t sound good for him, but then police have been known to “scuffle” with non-threatening/incapacitated people), and that he got roughed up a bit in the process (which is unfortunate, but then we don’t know whether or not it was necessary). What is there to say? Just ain’t enough information to condemn anyone, except whatever bastard decided it would be a good idea to set off fireworks in a building.
Shodan, old fella, I can’t bring myself to dislike you.
Probably because you’re not an outright aresehole; just a partisan curmudgeon with a good heart and a lot of wrong ideas.
And you have wit, which counts for something.
But this was just really disappointing.
Okay, now you’re being kind of an arsehole.
*If anyone wants some good reading with actual useful ideas on how to understand or connect to people trapped in Camp Trump, I recommend these Cracked articles by the always insightful “David Wong” and “John Cheese”.
How Half Of America Lost Its F**king Mind
5 Absolute Wrong Ways To Respond To Remorseful Trump Voters