Twickster, I’ll take the warning on board but my comment to margin was in response to her post here:
IMHO, I would suggest calling someone ‘vile’ is a lot more insulting than merely calling them stupid.
But again, note taken and I will refrain from calling her a moron in future.
Yeah, you’re blaming somebody who’s pointing out the idiocy of blaming victims while shielding or ignoring attackers. And you were saying? I can hardly wait till somebody starts whining about false rape accusations. We’ve had victim blaming from the first page, but go ahead, ignore that.
I guess no girls in nice, stable, two parent families are ever horrifically raped.
And how does a divorce get an erection and rape an eleven-year-old? Seeing as how her parents’ marital status apparently did more to ‘contribute’ to this rape than did the actual rapists, not to mention the people who are twisting themselves in knots to blame this little girl while acting like ‘getting raped’ is some sort of weather phenomenon, like rain, that one ‘avoids.’
Guess what? When you ignore rapists, when you refuse to blame rapists and blame the victim, you’re helping them. The way some people in this thread absolutely refuse to admit that the girl did nothing wrong, that maybe bystanders and bros could stop rapists, that maybe rapists are the ones to blame for rape-----!
Cite? And using sexist dogwhistles like ‘shrieking harpies’ sure is revealing. God, those damned women, getting upset at a bunch of guys blaming an eleven-year-old for getting herself raped. What a bunch of unreasonable bitches!
Just a bunch of guys ignoring rapists, being sexist, blaming the victim, calling women sexist names, and then whining about how everybody else is intellectually inferior to them and their tired, long-since-discredited, uninformed, frat boy viewpoint of rape.
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Asked the freshest of the 500+ bumper stickers festooning a tatterdemalion hatchback…
Because watching a bunch of men talk about how an elven-year-old rape victim asked for it, and didn’t prevent it, is the province of some bleeding heart hippie, huh?
So I guess you think she asked for it, too? I mean, let’s get rid of the pretense. She’s been called a ho by at least one poster here. A lot of people here think she’s to blame and they don’t want to talk about how she was eleven and the only person to blame for a rape is the rapist. They don’t want to talk about the rapists at all. And getting angry at this means you’re a shrieking harpie, to quote one poster, or a moron, to quote another. And you? You get snotty about people pointing out that an eleven year old kid is not to blame for what adults do. Nice side you picked.
In a thread this polarizing and unproductive, it’s easy to forget that every subject need not be a complete either-or. We can condemn rapists AND negligent parenting AND strive to teach children to be careful, for example. And we can all agree this story is a tragedy and a crime for which the guilty should be severely punished, AND you can be a shrieking harpy.
No you don’t teach an 11 year old to “make the rational choice in a situation.” Not hesitating when shooting, or just say no PSAs are the antithesis of “making the rational choice.” They are firm rules, without consideration for the situation. You teach an 11 year old not to go into a car without her parents’ knowledge. My objection was to your use of the term “rational choice” which is singularly inappropriate. You give simple strict rules.
Vinyl Turnip was making a joke. Possibly, you know, to diffuse the tension. Though I can’t imagine why he thought there might be tension in a thread about rape on the SDMB. Clearly we had all just about reached our ‘‘kumbayah’’ moment.
What you’re exerting a great deal of effort to avoid is that this is not some property crime, it’s the rape of an elven-year-old child.
And ‘shrieking harpy’ is sexist.
I do SO love it when some people act as if watching a bunch of men attack an eleven-year-old is no big deal, but critisizing them for it makes one a ‘shrieking harpy’. Yes, dear, it’s an over reaction to find it disgusting the way the men here are attacking this girl. Really.
Doesn’t say anything about you at all.
When it comes to rape, in fact, there is no other side. There’s only the fact that rapists cause rape, not the things that victims do or don’t do, and the men of the SDMB really, for some reason, want to avoid confronting the notion that rape is the rapist’s fault, and no one else’s. You can’t agree to disagree on that. Rape is the rapist’s fault.
It’s just that it’s especially obscene watching people----a substantial number of whom are men----attacking the child who was raped, while brushing off any and all discussion about the actual rapists. And then they act like they’re the reasonable ones.
You know nothing of Cleveland, Texas. Since you’ve been there I guess noticed the large Interstate Highway running through the middle of the town, or the fact that it’s only half an hour from the 4th largest city in th US. Or I guess you noticed raging crack cocaine problems that infest the community, or maybe you noticed the proximity to all the state prison units, whose parolees are prohibited from leaving the county of their release. Sure, there are places in this world more dangerous than Cleveland, but it’s incredibly self absorbed for you to assume you’ve seen more of the rough side of the world then a child there.
Nobody has said this is not a big deal, in fact the opposite that this is a VERY big deal.
Nobody has said that the little girl’s behaviour caused or mitigates the culpability of the men involved.
Nobody is attacking the child who was raped.
You are wilfully misrepresenting what people are actually saying in this thread.
Cut it out.
Oh, and FTR, I’m a woman, and I know plenty of male shrieking harpies too. Idiocy on this scale knows no gender boundaries it seems.
On one of the previous contentious rape thread somebody, might have been Clocky, suggested as a joke that we have a rape forum, since we have so many threads about it. It’d be cuddly, like MPSIMS. 
It’s nice that folks abandoned the Texas bashing early on. I would have had to come in here and defend the whole state. So thanks for that. As far as I give a shit, we should pour kerosene all over the place between Houston and, say, Arkansas. Then start throwing lit matches.
Woah, I’d hate to see that set of smileys.
And I am living in that 4th largest city in the US. There are drug houses in my neighborhood. The junkies in my neighborhood are one reason I have a CHL and keep a 20-gauge in my shop. I have lived in some of Chicago, Nasheville, and Atlanta’s worst sections. And I have lived in a country with a raging civil war going on where the rapists are armed packs with AK-47s. Cleveland is relatively safe place.
So, if a guy says “Welfare Queen” he’s not racist in your book, huh? Because he didn’t use some nuclear racist option, he’s not racist? Here’s a clue: Ann Coulter’s a woman, too. You want a cookie? If a guy doesn’t lynch a black person or use the ‘n’ word there are some morons who think that that’s not racist. Likewise, there are also idiots who think that if some asshole on a discussion about rape doesn’t say, “I hereby declare and affirm that this victim asked for, provoked, and totally deserved to be raped,” that they’re not blaming the victim.
I could name a whole list of women who are absolute shits to other women, who think they’re special sparkly snowflakes because the guys think they’re cool. Your attitude speaks for itself. You’re on the side of guys who are blaming the victim.
What kind of cookie?
An oreo?
A black and white cookie?
A Chinese fortune cookie?
A Mexican wedding cookie?
A Jesus-Killing, hook nosed Jew cookie?
What guys?
Does it come in Bacon Flavour?
Are we all out of Death Cookies again?