Your pit thread is more fun, probably because you have irritated more people (despite me being a “fuckhead”*), and because you squeal a lot more when poked with the stick. Plus you respond a lot quicker, making any exchange with you more post-filled.
My thread is just Mijin whining about how he couldn’t beat me in a debate**, and trying to defend his strawman. Probably likes admitting he’s wrong less than I do, the poor man.
I should note I actually did get somebody defending me in my pit thread, which was kind of nice. Perhaps you’re not fuckheaded enough?
Man I went over there to post a blithe defense of you, but if you really think you outargued Mijin then I can see why we have so much trouble. Both of you really poorly argued that one. I tend to agree with him though, hedonism is not the sole arbiter of human action.
Which thread, the GD one, or the pit one? In the GD one, Mijin had an extraordinarily difficult time in remembering what my argument even was, apparently because it wasn’t the one he wanted it to be. He wanted to argue against hedonism - I, of course, was not arguing for hedonism. I was literally talking past him. And, uh, apparently I was talking past you too, given your last sentence here.
I have a hard time taking credit for wooshing him, though, given that he repeatedly would ignore what I was saying to instead respond to the trivialistic pleasure-based hedonism argument. Even after I called him on it!
In the pit thread, of course, I was mostly having fun, but he has been trying to defend the literally worst of his arguments from the latter end of the ‘debate’ in the GD thread. And by “latter end” I mean, “I had given up trying to explain my position yet again to him”. So yeah. I have been trying to explain what his problems are (after some having some difficulty isolating what they actually were), though. If you think I’ve been arguing as badly as him there it may have to do with the difficulty I admittedly had in figuring out the tortured logic he used to create his argument.
Apparently so. I didn’t wade through the whole GD thread, I just read his post in the Pit.
And this right here is exactly what I think happens to me all the time. I am perfectly willing to expect that it is poor grammar, but I think this happens a lot. I think this because when people repeat what they think is my position it isn’t. Also because quite often at least one or two people understands me and elocute my position quite well.
Well what I read seemed pretty muddled a lot, and I think you were talking past him to a certain degree, at least based on the limited bit that I read. I understand your point that the reward isn’t always the obvious thing. IE, your response to the bit about trying to lose in a war just so you can have the satisfaction of getting what you want.
Your life is better for not having read the GD thread - at least our hijack of it. Seriously. It was not pretty.
We are all misunderstood sometimes of course, but I have observed you claiming to be misunderstood when you were not misunderstood. It hasn’t been “all the time”, but on several distinct times you have indeed weilded being misunderstood as a weapon, as an unjustified ad hominem.
A good sign of it is when you don’t bother to attempt to explain or clarify, and when you don’t claim that there is a chance you weren’t making yourself clear. You do those things when you honestly think there is a misunderstanding. You don’t when you’re using the accusation of incomprehension to avoid arguing.
It was really hard figuring out what the hell that guy was talking about sometimes - he seemed to prefer rebutting each new post as a separate and new rebuttal rather than arguing from a single coherent position. Now, I do that sometimes, so I know how easy it is to fall into that, but it really doesn’t help matters at all.
Yeah, I hate that, it’s really annoying. That’ll get me to go nuts. It’s like, “I’VE BEEN ARGUING WITH YOU FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND YOU DON’T REMEMBER THAT THIS HAS BEEN BUILDING ON OTHER POSTS??!?!?!?!”
It was both. It was just sooooo easy. I feel like I should tip you.
And really, Erek, I don’t need to bookmark the damned thing, I have a fully functioning memory. Just trying to offer you some humility, but it can be tough on someone who never gets angry off the boards. But most everything about you is off the boards, isn’t it? You’ve got so many friends there, talk to scientists, know so many things…why is it you can’t bring those things here? Why do you only get angry here? Have your suspensions just delayed the inevitable? Are you so unable to adapt to behaving civilized? Perhaps both you and the SDMB would be better off without one another.
How the heck did this thread make it to another page? mswas, you aren’t reading the posts you were supposed to ignore, are ya? Dude, it doesn’t work if you read what they write!
So here’s something you might want to consider: maybe a part of you enjoys this sort of thing? Nothing to be ashamed of, as that’s what the Pit is for. Oh, wait. This is the pit. I’m not supposed to be nice. Meh, too bad.
Soooo easy. Yes, that sort of underhanded tactic IS easy.
Offer me some humility? It doesn’t change anything about the contempt I have for you. It’s mutual? Yeah, BFD. I had a problem that I worked seriously on and I got over it. I do get angry in real life but it’s not the all-consuming rage it once was. I know you all think that I am super angry here, but I’m not, I am just dealing with dickheads like they are dickheads. That’s about all there is to it.
So go ahead try and reach into my real life and tap into my real life pain. Go ahead, I’ll feel pain, but it won’t connect at all to the issues you are trying to address.
The hostility on this message board is clearly not just about me. That it cannot handle a post about Mary Jo Kopechne pretty much shows where the board is at collectively. The funniest thing about it, is if I was a troll, then people responded to it the way a troll would want to. The best way to deal with a troll would have been to actually discuss Mary Jo Kopechne.
I didn’t post it to piss people off. Did I think it might piss some people off before I posted it? Yes, but it shouldn’t. We shouldn’t be so weak willed and insecure in our political leanings that on the day of a man’s death we can’t remember both the good and the bad.
This forum is filled with spiteful and hateful people. I’m just a scapegoat for all of y’all. One finger pointing outward three pointing back.
So congratulations on getting to me. Yay you did it. Incidentally I was beaten as a child and had anger issues as is stereotypical. I have always struggled with depression, yes DIAGNOSED depression, AND Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, also diagnosed. I dealt with it, I got through it. So really what you did was essentially the same as if someone got on Der Trihs case for having Aspergers. Congratulations. I hope you feel good about it.
LOL. I have been saying this whole time that I enjoy it, and that posting in this thread is a game to me.
Even the bit where **KidChameleon **came at me with my real life emotional trauma that I’ve shared before. Does anyone really think I would’ve shared it on this message board not knowing what the compassionless fuckheads on this board are really like? Of course I knew, I knew people like him would pull it out over something trivial.
See the thing is, they want to shame me, he says it straight up, he wants me to have a dose of ‘humility’. As long as I am not shamed or humbled then the terrorists have not won.
In the long run I’ll definitely try to be nicer to some people like Begbert2, or Half Man Half Wit, or Gustav, but not to the fuckheads.
This doesn’t make me like you. mswas can certainly be a pretentious jerk* (or I guess the term de jure in this thread is “fuckhead”) and I certainly don’t mind going after him for his on-board failings, but targeting him for IRL things that aren’t even still happening just strikes me as unjustified backstabbing.
(Er, lest he think I’m suddenly a fan, I still think he’s messed up and martyr-complexy about atheists and that he thinks too much of himself, the latter of which coming from me is saying something!)
*ETA: Just read your (mswas’s) “I’m sorry”, and now I feel like a jerk. Damn you!