No, that’s a link to an article implying that Bush has lied about policy. Apparently the meaning of even such simple a word as “this” eludes you. Unless you’re complaining the NR is lying.
AceOSpades
That’s bullshit.
Any news on the Spiegel quote?
I feel its unfortunate that this thread was hijacked…
Yes, take that unrelated shit to another thread, please.
Regarding the quote, I see from this page: http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard.html , which also got the story from Spiegel, “A Lexis-Nexis search of major U.S. newspapers found not a single story about this ridiculous gaffe of Bush’s.”
The page takes that as a reason to take the US press to task, but of course it’s also some evidence that maybe the incident never took place.
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originally posted by Jodi
Perjury is one of those issues where I’m very much an absolutist.,
…This has nothing to do with him being a Democrat, by the way; I’d judge a perjuring Republican just as harshly. …I don’t care how inappropriate the questions were…
Are you also an absolutist about attempted subornment? Prosecutorial misconduct? Abuse of discretion? Entrapment? Got any condemnation of the people who put the person you viscerally hate in the position he was in? Or is your “absolutism” situational and dependent on the personalities involved? BTW, unless you’re able to point out the lie that constitued the “perjury” allegation you so cavalierly spread, despite your statement that you’re too busy to reread a transcript. You’re no better than december in that regard, then, and I have no higher regard for your professionalism and objectivity than for his.
May God save us from lawyers who only pretend to be following principles, but have the power of the law to enforce their own prejudices.
Perhaps a moderator can make a comment on the hijakking of this thread?
Well, I did a quick google search and since Thursday, the story seems to have spread like wildfire. Yet it’s always the same source that’s cited. I don’t think we’ll be able to find a second piece of evidence to corroborate this alleged gaff.
CNN’s Crossfire ran the news
check: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0205/28/cf.00.html
OK, but in that Crossfire bit…Carville reports that Bush asked Cardoso the question during a European summit sometime during the week before May 28, 2002…not at the Cardoso - Bush meeting in November 2001 like Slate said. So now I’m even more confused. Furthermore, the Crossfire piece only referenced the Der Spiegel article, which didn’t include a date/place (at least in the English translation provided in the OP). So now we are back in UL territory.
Nice try at a save, Sua, but Dubya is not a professor or an MBA. He is the ::shudder:: leader of the free world, and he should be expected to know about such things. It was a stupid question on at least two levels. First, in the climate of “political correctness” he shouldn’t have asked the question at all in the context of such a meeting. Secondly, at the very least, he should have been smart enough to ask an aide instead of the President of Brazil.
Next he’ll be asking Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien whether there are any “native Americans” in Canada. Sheesh! :rolleyes:
Well, it seems to have gotten back on track here. Let’s try and keep it that way, m’kay, folks? I’m sure someone could start a thread on Bill Clinton if it really seems necessary. (Or, if you looked around in this forum, I’ll bet you might even find an old thread or two about the subject!)
I agree it would be a really dumb thing to say. Not even so much for not knowing the answer to begin with, as for just blurting it out to the President of the country. I mean hell, you could just send some aide out to buy a couple of copies of the World Almanac and keep 'em in the Oval Office and Air Force One, so that you can bone up before meetings and not have to ask things like that.
HOWEVER… We really haven’t established that it actually happened yet. Yes, it seems like the story has started to spread–but hey, that’s what Urban Legends do. And now we seem to be getting confusion over when it happened–Slate says it happened in November 2001; Crossfire says it happened in May 2002. (Note that the anecdote gets repeated in what looks to be a segment in which the hosts–in this case, James Carville–give quick little unrefuted “sound bites”; there’s no discussion of the incident.)
This is just beginning to scream “Urban Legend”, people. I never liked them about Bill Clinton or Al Gore or Janet Reno; I don’t think liberals should spread them about George W. Bush, either.
My apologies to SuaSponte, for jumping on your first post in this thread before reading the thread through. You withdrew the comment when others had made better arguments than mine.
And, you are right MEBuckner, that by now it does look like an urban legend. Still stinging as I am from the “selection” of 2000, I confess that, even though I sincerely believe GWB is incompetent and quite stupid enough to have asked the question, I have been a little too ready to believe anything negative I hear or read about him. It’s an unattractive trait of mine (which may well manifest itself again in the future). I should probably create a macro for the phrase “I apologize” and have it at the ready.
The difference in dates between slate and crossfire is interesting. However, the later date by Crossfire, would make the “why did they wait for months?” argument less strong.
Except, Carville said the comment came at a European summit a few weeks ago. The problem is that while Cardoso, along with several other Latin American leaders, attended a summit to talk about free trade issues…I can’t find evidence that Bush and Cardoso actually met during that time (doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, just that my research skills suck).
And, also, Carville said he got the story from Der Spiegel. Of course, he couldn’t know that Bush made the comments at the European summit because the Der Spiegel article doesn’t mention when the exchange took place.
My vote is for UL.
ELVIS –
If I knew who you were, gave a shit what you thought, or had any reason to respect your opinion – well, that would really sting. If.
All right now. Y’all go squabble over Bill Clinton somewhere else.
Upon further reflection and after reading the Crossfire transcript, I have to doubt Carville’s date. Worse than citing a source without a date, his date ( sometime in May) is pre-empted by the O Estado de S. Paulo article which came out on April 28.
I was giving him the benefit of a doubt thinking he might have done his homework. He must have simply assumed it was the EU summit which Cardoso attended.
Jodi, your decembrist failure to provide any supporting facts says everything.
How’s your table holding up from all that pounding?
I did a couple of searches on spiegel.de and did not find any further references. The article did appear in print as well. On May 18th the exact wording appeared under ‘Personalien’. ‘Personalien’ are a collection of blurbs about famous/infamous people.
The tone of the paragraphs is definetely casual to sarcastic.
More fodder for the Press Covers for Bush theory:
From the Financial Times: A Callow Cowboy Stumbles.
And, did anyone read that book – or was it a video – that describes the antics of our First Fratboy aboard AirForce One? Sounded one step removed from towel snapping – who remembers the name of that?