I didn’t claim this as evidence of genocide, merely that this current conflict is way over on the wrong side of the just / injust spectrum (and I do think it’s a genocide, but not only on the basis of this data point).
And it’s exactly the same logic as Vietnam; the vast ordnance used was and is a bad indicator, and we now know about numerous war crimes.
Again, we’re talking about atrocities / war crimes here, not some singular event being evidence of genocide.
And, as cited upthread, this “protection” of Gazans including not letting them return to their homes is against international law. Agreed?
Brilliant. Everyone is against Israel including, as I say, some Israelis and Jewish diaspora. It’s all bias. And, for this reason, you can just ignore any and all reporting of war crimes.
I’ll do it right now: any war crimes committed in those conflicts should be condemned in the strongest terms and the perpetrators (or those that gave the commands) should face (or should have faced) justice.
And I also think it’s a red herring to say one event makes a whole conflict an atrocity; you can have a just war with some outlying events, or you could have something like the Gaza bombardment where war crimes seem intrinsic to the campaign.
Brilliant. So what would be a war crime. Speaking hypothetically, what could the IDF do that you would condemn?
Who? Oxfam? Reuters? A cite for any of that?
Obviously a ridiculous standard given that you will accept claims of “Yeah, Hamas was there” with no evidence at all. Since it’s based on nothing, the IDF can always say that.
Meanwhile, the rest of us can form tentative conclusions based on the evidence available, accepting that in an ongoing conflict (and with journalists not allowed in) there is some fog of war.
…from the Secretary General of Amnesty International:
Dr. Abu Safiyyah has been “disappeared.”
He isn’t the first. Hundreds, if not thousands of Palestinians have been taken from Gaza and taken god-knows-where. Family, despite repeated enquiries, are not told anything.
But Dr. Abu Safiyyah’s approaching and getting into an Israeli armoured vehicle was captured on video. Multiple eyewitnesses say they saw him get detained (and they report far worse things than were captured and released on video)
There really is no doubt that he is in custody. More gas-lighting, more lies, more warcrimes from the IDF.
I gotta say - agreeing to end hostilities, withdraw all forces, and exchange prisoners is an odd way of going about killing everyone and colonizing the region.
I’m sure Banquet_Bear and iiiandyiii will be by any time now to admit they were wrong and that Israel was never attempting to exterminate the Gazan population.
I’m not sure iiandyiiii actually made such a claim; but Banquet Bear will of course claim that whatever is currently happening is proof of Israel’s genocide. I’m sure he will be along to explain why this is clearly the case shortly.
I’m quite sure I never claimed Israel was trying to exterminate all Gazans. I did claim, many times, that Netanyahu and his allies were deliberately prolonging the conflict in order to benefit themselves politically (at the expense of many Gazan civilians’ lives), and probably also to benefit Trump and hurt Biden. I still think this is, more likely than not, true.
Perhaps I’ve confused him with one of the other “iSrAeL iS dOiNg a gEnOcIDe” nitwits who helped elect Trump. If so, then I apologize, and I’m sure those other people will be by eventually to admit their wrongness.
It’s great news. good for Gaza and for Israel. Especially the 33 hostages and the 1100 prisoners. But I’m not going to pretend it unmurders babies, unploughs olive groves or rebuilds rubble.
Israel was pulled away from the brink, and that’s great. But don’t expect me to pretend it wasn’t right there, as well.
And this:
I was unaware this ceasefire included withdrawal from the settler colonies all over Palestine. Maybe you can link to that part?
I’m so sorry that you won’t get to see your dream of the settler colonies of Haifa and Tel Aviv being ethnically cleansed. That must be really, really hard for you
Well, the ceasefire deal is a bad one, and if it’s true that Trump pressured Netanyahu into taking it, it’s pretty disastrous (which is why I never bought the idea that Trump is better for Israel than Kamala).
Getting the hostages back is good, but releasing hundreds of Hamasniks is something we should draw a red fucking line on. Especially given that many of the specific people demanded by Hamas are convicted of murder. That’s precisely how we got into this mess, with the Shalit deal (which was also Netanyahu’s fuckup, by the way).
And withdrawing from Gaza at this time is idiotic, and giving up control of the Philadelphi Corridor is also idiotic. We don’t want a repeat of Oct 7 or of the war that followed in a decade, and that’s what this “ceasefire” deal is going to lead to.
Aside from the hostages returning, the only other benefit to this particular deal is that it should be incredibly politically damaging to Netanyahu.
