Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit

I can’t find a source for who Israel approved for release. This is the best information I found, from the Times of Israel:

  • The 9 ill and wounded from the list of 33 will be released in exchange for the release of 110 Palestinian prisoners with life sentences.
  • Israel will release 1,000 Gazan detainees from 8 October, 2023, that were not involved in 7 October, 2023
  • The elderly (men over 50) from the list of 33 will be released in exchange for an exchange key of 1:3 life sentences + 1:27 other sentences.
  • Avera Mengistu and Hisham al-Sayed — will be released according to an exchange key of 1:30, as well as 47 Shalit prisoners.
  • A number of Palestinian prisoners will be released abroad or in Gaza based on lists agreed upon between both sides.

Do you know if a life sentence means conviction for murder? Obviously some of the Shalit prisoners were convicted of murder but it doesn’t say which ones were recaptured and which are being returned this round.

~Max

I’m not sure I am, since your lot have spent your time arguing with a nonexistant caricature of me who loves Netenyahu and Trump and wants Arabs killed for fun. I blocked andy months ago over his pathetic “Smaptenyahu” jokes and I don’t think he’s over it yet.

Blood libel.

Finally,
BINGO!

It wasn’t the caricature of you that said the war in Gaza is “pest control”.

The irony of Smapti and Babale smugposting about a ceasefire that Israel now refuses to sign is fantastic.

Don’t forget “All atrocities (except killing white foreigners) are acceptable, because Israel’s cause is just.”

Please disregard my post. I have no skin in this game, no dog in this fight.
Even if I think that the worst of either side are blithering idiots, I have no earned right to say so here.

Please continue with your dog fight.
Feel free to throws some slices of meat into the ring if you’re entertained. I’m out.

Ahem.

Oh, it’s signed? Because you already posted that it was a done deal and we should all join you in slobbering Israel’s knob about how they’re just so magnanimous…yesterday.

I await your crawling-back apology for stating Hamas would never sign a ceasefire.

It will be.

Yes, it would appear I was wrong about that. We’ll see whether they actually abide by it for longer than the last one.

That’s what you said yesterday.

Par for the course. But who is “they”?

And nothing has changed.

Moving the goalposts, much?

Hamas. I don’t trust them and Israel is taking a big risk by accepting an end to the conflict where they remain in power.

Not what I said, nor was I ever the one to bring race into this or try to make this a racial issue. It’s your lot who have been trying to make a race war out of this.

I’m “smugposting” as you put it because I have been vindicated by history. I’ve been hearing for a year and change that Israel’s intentions are purely genocidal, that they would never stop until all 2 million Gazans were dead or exiled, that the evacuees would never be allowed to return and their land would be used to build “colonies” for “settlers”, that it was only a matter of days before everyone starved to death, that every single incident of collateral damage was proof Israel was murdering women and children for fun, that I was a racist for not demanding that the Jewish people link arms and march into the Mediterranean, that Hamas was completely blameless for the suffering of its people and had absolutely no agency in the matter.

And here Israel is, ending the war only 98% short of wiping out the Gazan people and committing itself to helping the Gazans rebuild. It’s no wonder Banquet_Bear won’t even show his face - he must be disappointed that there’ll be no more bloody shirts to wave.

Oh, you have been very careful not to bring up race. But the timing of your outrage was…particular. Do I really need to quote the half-dozen times you cry “ISRAEL’S CAUSE IS JUST,” except for that one instance?

You’ve been vindicated mostly by the things you’ve made up in your head. The ceasefire hasn’t been signed. Israel has very clearly stated they plan the ceasefire to be temporary.

Hilarious coming from the “40 BEHEADED BABIES!” Are you just mad he took those bloody shirts from you?

At the time it appeared to be a legitimate example of Israeli forces deliberately attacking aid workers. If that is what it was, then it was unacceptable. The response I got for my attempt to find common ground was to be told that I was being racist for “only being mad when white people get hurt”, which is preposterous no matter how much trying to label me a racist lets y’all give yourselves a pass on your antisemitism which you’ve decided is OK because Jews now count as “white” to you (which would come as some surprise to every single Holocaust survivor).

Which your ilk won’t even acknowledge, because admitting that Hamas are murderous terrorists detracts from the narrative of them being brave freedom fighters striking a blow against “colonialism”.

And once it has been, what will you say?

Israel expects Hamas to break the ceasefire eventually. It’s a reasonable prediction because they’ve broken every ceasefire they’ve ever agreed to. The fact that Israel is agreeing to this at all utterly disproves the phony genocide narrative that is and has always been Russian-backed propaganda intended to divide the left and get Trump elected. (Congratulations on that, BTW.)

Israel’s cause IS just and its use of force has by and large been justified.

Not the point.
Which was, in case you missed it, that the side that continues the killing for as long as it can, isn’t a magnanimous peace-seeking entity. Israel is coming to this deal with as great reluctance as Hamas, if not even more eagerness for bloodshed to resume- witness the IOFans in this thread, witness the protests against the ceasefire in Israel, witness the Israelis already discussing post-truce continuation, witness the Israelis continue to murder innocents right up to the line.

Like you were reminded : “Pest control”. No caricature said that.

Wait, and you haven’t blocked me? But - he’s the ‘reasonable’ one. You really are crazy.

Wolf!

We do acknowledge it - we acknowledge it’s a proven lie.

Hamas (and some none-Hamas opportunists) were very much murderous terrorists on Oct 7. A Hamas fighter shooting at an IOF trooper guarding the Gaza Gulag can be a brave freedom fighter striking a blow against no-quotes colonialism. Topping and floor wax.

Oh, yeah. the great just act of building condo tracts in the West Bank…so justified

If you’re trying to bait me into arguing about moderation in the Pit, I’m not going to.

I’ve got pictures of dead burned babies that I have too much taste to post here and you’re splitting hairs about how they were brutally murdered.

I don’t make a habit of blocking people and you’ve done nothing to warrant it.

When have I ever spoken in favor of West Bank settlements? I haven’t. I have no sympathy for religious lunatics who think they’re entitled to land because they think a god promised it to them 3,000 years ago. Israel should let it be known that it won’t be providing for their security if they insist on living in Palestinian territory. That’s an entirely different issue than Gaza.

No need to reply, the fact that you posted it is enough.

Admitting an awareness of nuance? I mean, I know you’re going to need a dictionary for that word, but why would I be ashamed of that?

Are there 40 of them, and are they beheaded?

No-one argues babies weren’t killed on Oct 7. That’s not the lie you still keep repeating.

Also, why the fuck would you keep those? Sick, man.

I’ve outright called you crazy and a fascist bootlicker in thread after thread. Andy made a joke about your name.

Rationality, never been your strong suit.

Whenever you shout down the idea that Israel is a colonialist enterprise.

If you think it’s only religious fanatics populating the settlements, you’re even less educated about the Israel situation than your already-dumb posts indicate.

That’s what Israel would like you to think - divide and conquer is older than the hills.

I’m not the one who brought it back up. If, in fact, the children were murdered in some other way, it doesn’t mitigate the enormity of the crime.

I don’t tolerate childish namecalling, especially not when it’s based on a lie. You clearly don’t think very highly of me and you’ve said things about me that are incorrect, but I can’t recall you explicitly lying about my beliefs.

Doesn’t matter who’s populating them. They don’t belong there and they’re actively standing in the way of achieving a lasting peace.

My conclusions are not based on anything Israel might want me to think. Just to be clear, settling the West Bank is not a just cause.

No, you just said “Which your ilk won’t even acknowledge” in response. That’s not a refutation of a lie, mate.

You think “crazy fascist bootlicker” is very adult of me, do you?

Then why bring up the religious lunatics only in your response, if not to make it sound like they’re unsanctioned cultists - like Waco-ex-Hebron?

Most of the settlers are there for economic reasons, not religious ones. Even many of the Ultra-orthodox who are there are there because of economic incentives.

So - settler colonialism is the right term for it, then?

It’s certainly right in line with how they split WB from Gaza.

Neither is bombing babies, but you seem to think so.