Just a nitpick - I have never, ever encountered Boer used to refer to English White South Africans (outside of any involvement in agriculture, the Apartheid state or the police). You would never refer to a group of English White South Africans in the city as “Boere” pejoratively. When it’s used for White South Africans generally, it will be to refer to Afrikaners. Or literal farmers.
I’m not saying you haven’t mistakenly been called that. I’m saying it’s not the usage I know.
Yeah, I get it, I’m an evil bloodthirsty Jew, I just have to kill some Palestinian kids for my matzoh. Passover is coming up, after all. Cool story, bro.
Wow, it’s almost like you’re a real thinking person capable of nuance!
I bet you could easily explain why it’s problematic when fanatics talk about Judea and Samaria, too.
No problem whatsoever with river to the sea, though; no bad implications there whatsoever.
Here’s my take: revanchism is bad on either side, because it makes a two state solution impossible. Likewise, insisting that everyone on either of the two sides is only interested in death and destruction leads to revanchism and a rejection of any actual path forward.
Holy fucking shit, that is not what he said. He was speaking about you, and about Israel. Not about Jews.
Yeah, no shit. This kind of bullshit greatly weakens the fight against real antisemitism.
I am sooooo pissed at the people who want to equate any criticism of Israeli policy with antisemitism.
Oh, go fuck yourselves. If a Palestinian person said they were for a two state solution, and people kept responding to them “yeah, but only if one of those two states is full of dead people! OMEGALOL!!!”, I’m sure that absolutely no one would accuse that person of being islamophobic.
It’s not your support for a two state solution that i object to. I am also in favor of a two state solution.
You’ll note that when I said that I’m in favor of a two state solution, you responded “me too”, rather than screeching about how actually I don’t want a two state solution, I want to kill all the Palestinians. You know - because you aren’t a raging idiot like MrDribble.
“Buh…buh…antisemitism!” is not the trump card you think it is when you’re so obviously backing the army (not even a whole country, and especially not an ethnicity) of killers.
While I may have said “Israel” one time too many, generally I try and say “IOF” or “Zionists” in these discussions, because that’s who’s doing the killing. I never say “Jews” and don’t intend to even say “Israelis” because I’m well aware there are plenty of them horrified by the genocide and by people like you.
I think we’ve already seen your’e way too personally cowardly to do anything of the sort, Cali boy. If you weren’t, you’d have served already.
Wow, it’s almost like you’re a troll trying to needle someone with lies.
Something no-one has said. I know there are good Israelis, just like I know there are innocent Palestinians. None of them wear an IOF uniform, live in a settlement or fight for Hamas, though.
Zionism is the belief in Jewish self determination which, no surprise, you’re of course opposed to.
Of course, you probably have an alternate definition, one crafted by the colonizers we defended our liberation from. The same pan Arab nationalists who were perfectly happy to gobble up Gaza and the West Bank into their budding empires, and whose interest in Palestine was purely expansionist. Real smooth of you to adopt it.
Oh, so you only hate the vast majority of Jewish Israelis, plus those Druze race traitors.
Zionism is the belief in a colonial enterprise in Palestine. Founding Zionists admitted as much.
Who, Ze’ev Jabotinsky?
Funny you can’t tell the present tense. Breaking the Silence certainly aren’t on my shitlist, and they’re all IOF veterans. Unlike you.
That pretty much sums up my feelings on this as well, but far more succinctly than myself.
Doesn’t Israel have a pretty universal draft? I assume there are some who currently serve in the IDF who oppose the Gaza action. We had plenty of soldiers who got shipped to Vietnam who didn’t want to be there.
Israel has a draft (as well as draft-dodgers), and there are absolutely Combatants for Peace and similar organizations. Not all Israelis or Palestininans are cool with war, genocide, and ethnic cleansing, and I would (naively and hopefully) expect those who have been, for whatever reason, involved on the front lines of such a conflict to be doubly against it. War is only cool in Hollywood movies.
Hmm… can you “oppose” an action while simultaneously participating in it? You can speak up later, and I suppose during, though that seems like a quick trip to the stockade.
Not if you were Haredi in yeshiva, until fairly recently. But otherwise, yes, for Jewish Israelis and the men of a couple other ethnicities, at least.
Then they should not comply.
There were White South Africans who refused their universal draft, back in the day.
Fair enough.
I worked with a guy who opposed the killing Israel was doing many years ago (which was much more justifiable than what they are doing now) and his reaction was to work as a medic in the army, rather than participate in that killing. I have no idea what he would have done in today’s circumstances.
I have tremendous respect for young people who accept the considerable personal risk associated with defying conscription laws, but I’m not ready to declare that only those who do so could be described as “good people”.
It’s a big leap, I know, but I am ready to say that those who remain in an army currently committing genocide are not good people. Many of them may just be cowards afraid to speak up - getting along to get along, as they say - and I’m not going to call them evil for that. But not good.
I think the Wikipedia article is a good collection of news stories and reports about this incident, and I presume it will be updated as more information comes out.
AFAICT this is the most credibly and comprehensively reported-on single war crime incident of this conflict since the initial Oct 7th attacks - can anyone think of another? And AFAICT it’s the one that has most clearly caught Israeli and IDF leadership flat footed as far as explanation/rationalization.