Sure.
Ha ha.
I’d hate to think they accidentally murdered them.
The evidence also “indicates” that Israelis are (sometimes gleefully) committing warcrimes using that attack as an excuse. Way, way, way out of proportion to the initial Hamas attack.
And the evidence (actual Israeli census evidence) also says that the “decapitated babies” story you keep repeating is a lie.
You lie. You’re a liar.
Your source for that is currently running front page articles that claim Jeffrey Epstein was murdered, that the US government is planning to kill Julian Assange, that the CIA killed Kennedy, and that 10/7 was a false flag committed by the IDF, and appears to have a strong pro-Russia, anti-Ukraine and anti-NATO editorial bent - and is incidentally run by a Uyghur genocide denier and RT contributor.
I’m not taking tankies at their word either.
But generalized (and not unreasonable) distrust of the Grayzone’s ideology isn’t the same as refutation of their specific criticisms of the “decapitated babies” claims. Nowhere have I seen any reliable documentation of such claims, and apparently neither did PolitiFact.
The lack of credibility of Landau and Zaka is supported by mainstream Israeli news organizations such as Haaretz.
Like I said, there are plenty of attested Hamas terror acts with details supported by reliable evidence. Clinging to the most extreme and horrific unconfirmed allegations for their shock value just looks like propaganda rather than rational analysis.
Very well, let’s concede for the sake of argument that no babies were decapitated. I have open in another tab a photograph of the charred remains of an Israeli baby who is believed to have been burned alive. Does that make it any better? I don’t think it does.
Which is an absolutely horrible thing to happen, no question. But nothing about that statement indicates what that belief is based on, who is making the claim, or, if the belief is correct, whether the burning was deliberately inflicted or the result of a differently targeted attack.
If the burning was caused by an attack directed elsewhere, either on the part of Hamas attackers or by “friendly fire” shelling on the part of Israeli defenders, that doesn’t seem significantly different on the “atrocity meter” from all the Palestinian civilian deaths that you seem quite reconciled to. When Palestinian babies in Gaza are burned alive by Israeli bomb blasts, you just call it “collateral damage” and, apparently, could not care less.
I mourn the victims of Pearl Harbor more than I mourn the victims of Hiroshima, too. There’s a big difference between collateral damage that happens while pursuing the end of a defensive war, and the deliberate and unprovoked killing of innocents intended to trigger a jihad.
I don’t think it’s supposed to be a competition.
One can make a case that an attacker’s death is less regrettable than that of an innocent victim, or that a soldier’s death is more acceptable than that of a civilian, sure.
But to divvy up one’s compassion for dead infants depending on which of their “sides” is promoting the more personally palatable propaganda about “who started it” just seems kind of disgusting.
I’m getting really sick of people trying to handwave away the mass slaughter of civilians by saying the people responsible for it will be punished at the next elections, which could be several years away. Cold comfort for the dead and their survivors.
And going on and on about how Israel is a liberal, multiracial democracy, given that its current government has passed legislation explicitly defining Israel as a Jewish State, and when the war started was in the process of gutting the judiciary to grant itself absolute power, is also wearing a bit thin.
But we must embrace false dichotomies, because the only alternative is cannibalism!! – xkcd
And yet you are asking us to take another theocratic death cult at its word for all kinds of crap going on in Gaza. Why should anyone believe a single word coming out of the Israeli government at this point?
Oh, well that’s alright then. No, wait it’s not alright. It’s an excuse to slaughter and starve thousands.
I can’t even. Just shrugging off the deaths of anyone no matter what culture or country they belong to is just ugly. Especially, children, who are not even aware of the petty territorial/religious/and political posturing that lead to their pain and death. Disgusting.
Oops, not aimed at you Kimstu.
Of course it’s a Jewish state. Why shouldn’t it be? We’ve seen what happens when Jews don’t have a state of their own. That doesn’t mean Jews are the only people with rights. There are even Palestinian Arabs in the Knesset.
Which the Supreme Court overturned.
What on earth are you talking about? I don’t know of any Jews who want me dead for not converting.
Shouldn’t you be writing a letter to the UN demanding justice for an Eritrean boy who fell down a well or something?
No, I should be posting to you to see if you actually consider Palestinians human beings or just, “collateral damage” that don’t really matter.
Both.
You can’t be both. Either they are humans who deserve protection. Or they are just things in the way.
I can’t possibly shed a tear for everyone who dies anywhere. Noone can. You’d lose your mind. Even Superman can’t possibly save everyone. We all have internal hierarchies of who matters to us. Why should I invest my limited supply of emotional capital on people who would want me dead if they knew I existed?
Just to reassure certain posters, if there is a ceasefire, the following, which I believe some are envisioning, will NOT happen.
Steps 1 through 3 already happened. Step 4 won’t.
So you think the rest of the world wants Israel to passively let themselves be bombed out of existence?