Can you help elucidate how this scenario analogizes to the current situation? Near as I can tell, the closest analogy would be, do I want press a button that causes Israel to halt hostilities with only 30 thousand plus dead? or do I want them to continue their bombing and starvation until every last Gazan is dead? In which case, yes I press the button. it’s a no-brainer. But given your sympathies I don’t think that is what you had in mind.
I think he was listing his spank bank material
Either Israel defeats Hamas now or Hamas continues to rule Gaza for the foreseeable future. The correct answer is that which sacrifices some now so that the rest can be saved later.
This is why nobody likes you or wants to talk with you.
Just call him Smaptanyahu.
Absolutely agreed on the yahoo part, anyway.
I’m not sure how you figure that failure to bomb Gaza results in their complete extermination. I mean Hamas sucks, and living under them was no picnic, but I don’t see it as being much better post war with no infrastructure, and at best an oppressive police state trying to maintain control over a hostile populace fighting an ongoing insurgency. It certainly won’t be better for those not alive to see it. Also even if it is better for the populace could it have been achieved without committing quite so many war crimes,and turning Israel into a pariah state.
I guess we will see in 10 years, whether Gaza is free and prosperous or is instead far beyond Thunderdome. By then I expect you will have found a new authoritarian regime to idolize and can post in its pit thread about how your views on Israel back in 2024 shouldn’t be used against you since people change and you now realize your mistake.
I’d have to start idolizing them first.
Israel is a pariah state for reasons that have nothing to do with anything it has ever done or will do. It’s because of exactly one reason that has existed since long before 10/7.
Because they’re too cowardly to answer a yes-or-no question?
Where does this ridiculous idea that Netanyahu is personally running this war effort even come from?
You’re being ridiculous. Netanyahu is not Commander in Chief. He isn’t personally running the war effort. It is fully possible to believe that the IDF is running their ship well even if you disagree with the destination that Bibi preprogrammed into the satnav. And it’s possible to criticize the destination (as Gantz has rightly done by leaving) without discrediting the whole operation.
That will depend entirely on whether the Palestinians decide that they want to work towards a two state solution, or whether they continue on the path of revanchism.
With useful idiots around the world calling for revanchism, I am not very optimistic.
Maybe Tankie is the wrong word. Perhaps you can educate me. Other than “West iMpErIaLiSt, West BAAAAD!” Tankie nonsense, what other kind of brain damage might make someone say this:
Or this:
AFAICT, everything that Israel has done so far has been part of Netanyahu’s “plan”. Including the distinct lack of anything resembling long term planning for Gaza. Netanyahu wants a forever war, and ISTM that so far he’s getting it.
Really? Because it seems to me that the people who keep saying “it is IMPOSSIBLE to destroy Hamas, just give up, go home, and let them get ready for Oct 7 2.0” are the ones who want a “forever war”.
Israel is now to use a colloquial phrase, up shit’s creek without a paddle. There is no plan to win the war, no obtainable path to a hostage deal, and the entire north is ablaze and uninhabitable. Meanwhile, the Israeli standing in the world is deteriorating daily.
This is Netanyahu’s plan in action.
@Babale, I asked you before but you didn’t answer - how many anti Israel militants do you think the IDF is creating? Do you really think that thousands upon thousands of Gazan civilian deaths aren’t creating future terrorists?
What kind of brain damage causes one to not understand that eliminating the nation state of Israel is not killing all Jews?
There’s nothing in eliminating the nation state of Israel that requires killing any Jews.
Do you really think letting Hamas control Gaza, including the education system, isn’t creating all the terrorists they need?
We didn’t make peace with Egypt or Jordan or any of the other countries that invaded us over and over and over again by saying “Oh no, if we kill any of them, their families will never make peace with us!”.
Peace with the Palestinians won’t come from us being so nice to them that they decide they actually love us. It will come when they understand that a single state Palestine will never happen, and move on to building up the half they can get rather than trying to fight for the whole pie again and again and again and again and again and again. And again. And again. And again and again and again and again and again.
Eventually, enough is fucking enough.
What scares me much more than people angry that their relatives died is people who are shown that militancy works, terrorism works, and that if they refuse to build Palestine into a separate state but instead keep attacking Israel again and again and again, then eventually the international community will feel so bad for them that they’ll swoop in and destroy Israel.
THAT is what will (and has been) create a Forever War. So long as the people in control of the Palestinians continue to believe that terrorism plus whining when Israel retaliates is a valid path to eliminating Israel and creating a single Palestinian state “from the river to the sea”, they will continue to do exactly what they have been doing since 1973, when the Arab countries gave up on militarily destroying Israel.
We have plenty of these people on our side, too; they aren’t the ones who go and settle in the West Bank. I’ve never met a Settler who became one because he was just so mad that a terrorist killed his family.
Who does become a settler? People who think that:
And that if they just build enough settlements the Palestinians will all leave, or God will wave his magic wand and they’ll disappear.
The problem isn’t people who are upset that a relative of theirs died. The problem is people who think that there is a realistic pathway to their side controlling the only state, and all of the land.
The brain damage isn’t in thinking that this is possible (in theory), you fucking cretin; it’s in thinking that this is what Hamas wants.
Listen to indigenous voices - unless they said something fucked up, in which case, lie about it to avoid making them look bad