Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit

The BBQ Pit
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You’re acting like there’s a binary choice - what Israel is doing now, or Hamas rules Gaza. But that’s not the choice - Israel is fucking this up and not on a path towards defeating Hamas.

So not only is Israel losing, but they’re making more terrorists at the same time. Israel is killing its present and future, all because Netanyahu is in charge and refuses to make any plan that’s not specifically designed to keep him in power.

1122

So you keep saying.

OK, cool take. I disagree. I think you’re vastly overestimating Netanyahu’s control and influence. We’ve been round and round this debate and I don’t see much point in getting into it again.

1123

Let’s revisit in a few months. See if this plan has actually made things better for anyone at all aside from Netanyahu and Sinwar.

1124

We only take Hamas at their word when they’re advocating for genocide.

1125

Well, I see we’re done pussyfooting around the agenda of the pro-Hamas crowd.

1126

Those statements by Gray and Butler are pretty dumb, IMO, and largely harmful to humanitarian efforts. Hamas and Hezbollah are not interested in living side-by-side, peacefully, with Jews.

1127

…from +972 Magazine.

From the latest flash update:

Much more at the link.

Gaza may have dropped out of the news cycle, but nothing has changed on the ground.

1128

…breaking: the war on hospitals in Gaza continues. The European Hospital in Khan Younis has been ordered by Israel to move patients, and there are reports of chaos as wards, and tents are being abandoned.

There’s nowhere for them to go, of course. Rafah Hospital is caught up in the latest offensive. Nasser barely operational after the last raid a few months ago. Its yet another blatant war crime, a breach of the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law, that will be ignored by the United States and its allies, as the genocide in Gaza continues unabated.

1129

…some footage of the evacuation from European Hospital. Seeing patients on gurneys being wheeled through the streets has sadly been normalised.

What I’m quoting here has been translated by Google. If any of it is inaccurate, then any corrections appreciated. But here is the Minister of National Security admitting that yeah, all the stories are true:

If you doubt any of the reporting on what is happening to Palestinians being detained…Ben-Gvir just tweeted it out. Everything published about the abominable conditions of those held in prison is true.

1130

Whatever happened to that petition to close Sde Teiman?

~Max

1131

:rofl:

When I saw that there was yet another Ben Gvir mistranslation making the rounds, I should have known you’d rush into this thread to screech about it.

What Ben Gvir is saying is absolute hateful bullshit, but it’s exactly the opposite of what you translated him as saying here.

He didn’t say “abominable”, in fact that word means the exact opposite.

Ben Gvir’s complaint is that, as reported in the right wing Israeli press that his followers consume, the conditions of prisoners before October 7th were too good. One of his frequent complaints was about fresh baked pita being provided to the prisoners daily, which he is bragging about ending.

But braindead Hamas supporters like you probably think he’s talking about the dogs trained to rape or similar nonsense.

Hey, when I watched the debate and Trump insulted Biden by calling him a “Palestinian”, it occurred to me: you still think protesting Genocide Joe’s genocide supporting policy by not voting for him is a good idea, or did Trump’s hateful rhetoric finally snap some sense into you?

1132

@Babale, I don’t agree with you in this thread, but at least I respected you. But the laughing emojis in response to posts, and comments like the above, have ended that respect.

If you wanted to convince the people here that the Israelis care about the lives of others, maybe rethink your approach. Right now, you just seem like an asshole.

1133

…oh fuck off.

I literally said from the outset I wasn’t sure about the translation. I invited any corrections. You could have just done that.

And yes: it’s very clear from the translation that what he was saying was targeted at his base.

So since you are here: do you believe the accusations that “Israeli guards sexually assaulted six prisoners with a stick in front of the other detainees” is true or not? Do you think they warrant an investigation?

Are Palestinian detainees being held by Israel kept in conditions in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law? And if they aren’t, are you going to speak up about that? Or are you just going to keep yelling at me, as if I’m the bad guy?

1134

When someone quotes things completely out of context, over and over again, I begin to rule out stupidity and assume malice.

1135

…what the fuck is wrong with you?

1136

And when people use laughing emojis on posts about children being killed, I assume asshole.

1137

You fucking moron, I reacted to a post that (lied about the way in which) Ben Gvir gloated about mistreating prisoners. Nothing to do with killing kids.

1138

Do you need me to go back and find how many posts you’ve responded to with the laughing emoji that did involve kids?

1139

Pretty sure he meant this:

~Max

1140

…is he not?

Even with the additional context, is he not gloating about mistreating prisoners?

Are Palestinian detainees being held by Israel kept in conditions in accordance with the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian law? And if they aren’t, are you going to speak up about that?