…in before Banquet Buddy tells me that doing statistics is literally genocide.
…why on earth should I care what you find credible or not?
The numbers are going through the verification process by both the UN and independent bodies. The numbers are good enough for Israel to use, why should I care what you think?
The numbers include children that didn’t even make it to their first birthday. That won’t be on any of the registers. It’s an extraordinarily complex process, made even more difficult with the collapse of the Gazan healthcare system, the wholesale destruction of records and buildings, the killing of people administrating those records. There isn’t some big huge conspiracy. Those numbers are the best we’ve got. They are an imperfect measure, but even at the high end of estimates, it is almost certainly an undercount.
Not that it matters. Because this is just another distraction from the fact that you can’t provide any evidence that Hamas were running “military operations in schools and hospitals.” Playing distraction doesn’t get Israel off the hook for warcrimes.
So I suppose those tunnels were dug by gophers, then.
Whatever you say, Banquet Buddy. You’ve proven yourself to be
…after nine months of “war” this is still the best you can do. You can’t show us the evidence of tunnels. You just wave your hands in the air and yell “TUNNELS” and just expect us to believe you.
You cited a random editorial article written by what appears to be a non-expert in the field that I can’t even read because its hidden behind a paywall. Diving deeper into the numbers, it appears the higher numbers were provided by the Gazan Media Office which included both media reports and those reported by family online, and the lower numbers which were provided by the Hamas Ministry of Health, which only records deaths registered in hospitals.
The change in methodology happened in November, at the same time the largest hospital in Gaza was under siege, surrounded, and eventually raided, most of the people were kicked out, and people were arrested. So the change in methodology made sense, because many of the places that were recording deaths were no longer able to do so.
And laughably, it means the numbers that Babale wants us to trust come directly from the Hamas Ministry of Health. Babale wants you to trust Hamas.
As I said: this process is complex. And one of the reasons why this is so difficult is because Israel have targeted the healthcare system. There is no big conspiracy here. The numbers are likely to be an huge undercount. Many bodies are still buried under the rubble. Many more deaths wouldn’t be registered at hospitals because in many cases, it would have been a waste of time taking the body there. Because you know that they are sometimes scooping body parts up in plastic bags, right? In those cases, they aren’t going to risk taking them to the hospital (that might be under occupation at the time), they’ll just bury them where and when they can.
But again, this is yet another distraction. This all happened in May.
You’ve acknowledged the existence of tunnels multiple times, you clod.
…that was my point before, and that was my point now.
Thats all you’ve got. Tunnels exist: but they don’t explain or excuse the whole-scale destruction of thousands of homes and the forced displacement of well over a million people.
The evidence, that you have failed to provide, is that the tunnels are even being targeted.
That’s LITERALLY WHAT I SAID you fucking moron.
Again, you absolute cretin, here is what I said, which if you read rather than just instantly screeching “REEEEEE!!! ISRAEL IS EVIL!!! REEEEE!”, you’d have seen is exactly what you just sa8d to “disprove” me:
You absolute imbecile, the problem is that according to YOUR OWN LINK, the entire discrepancy is made up by women and children. Which, statistically, makes no fucking sense. And again, this is by YOUR link’s numbers.
And I explained the issue there too:
I’m sure those were peaceful tunnels for medical use. Just like all the peaceful medically necessary AK-47s, RPGs, and packs of explosives. All medically necessary, until evil Israel destroyed the hospital to get more Palestinian children blood for the Matzah.
…your summary omitted two very important details, which I included.
Firstly, the identity of the agencies. The agency with the lower figure, which I’m going to assume you don’t have any issues with, was the Hamas Ministry of Health. The very agency you were mocking when you started this whole tangent. I’m going to assume you now concede that the numbers provided by the Hamas Ministry of Health are broadly accurate, and if not, can you tell me where we should be getting the numbers from instead?
Secondly, you omitted the why the methodology changed. It happened in November. And if you remember back then I was documenting the was on the Gazan hospitals, and even once mentioned that the reporting of casualty numbers would be affected by this. In November, three hospitals were under siege for weeks, including the largest hospital in Gaza at the time, Al Shifa. Then those hospitals got raided, occupied, patients kicked out, doctors and medical teams and administrative staff arrested and disappeared.
It was then the the methodology changed. From deaths registered in hospitals to what deaths could be registered in hospitals along with media reports and reports by family online.
These were understandable changes in methodology considering that many of the hospitals were either being taken out of action, under siege, or being occupied. All of these things, of course, illegal under international law.
So does the change in methodology explain the discrepancy you are complaining about? Maybe. But I’m not an expert, and neither are you. And the best people to address this are those that actually have some familiarity with the figures and not just make baseless speculation.
A link to footage from Israel’s attack on a UNRWA school/refuge just a few hours ago. Spoiled because it contains graphic footage of dead children.
In the last 12 hours, Israel have killed 5 journalists in the north and the south. And they bombed the funeral for one of them, killing another 3.
We are witnessing senseless massacres every single day. And every day Israel will claim they were “being very careful”, and “only targeting terrorists” and every day Palestinians will share video of dead children, many killed in the most gruesome, painful way.
A reminder that Babale doesn’t support a ceasefire. Not even to return the hostages. He thinks this slaughter has to continue. He thinks Palestinians watching their children and families killed in the most horrible ways will somehow turn them into supporters of Israel and lead them to denouncing Hamas. He imagines a fantasy world that doesn’t involve permanent occupation of Gaza and settlements throughout both Gaza and the West Bank.
I’m pretty sure I can find more photos of IDF solders dressing up in Palestinian women’s lingerie than you can of tunnels underneath buildings they’ve destroyed through controlled demolition.
What’s up with that, anyway?
@Babale it looks like you have one of two choices:
- Say something that removes all doubt that you have a shred of humanity left in you, or
- Have the decency to just shut the fuck up for a bit.
Ooooh. Now I unserstand. You’re legitimately mentally handicapped. You’re actually incapable of unserstanding basic points of logic. That explains a lot. Sorry, I’ll stop trying to engage with you like I would with a rational adult.
In case you missed it in the absolute tidal wave of “REEEEEE! ISRAEL BAD!” nonsense that spewed out of your mouth, I already said that there is no issue with changing the methodology in and of itself:
But I understand, you didn’t make it out of 3rd grade (or maybe Statiatics is just an evil colonialist tool of the white oppressors and you rejected it for that reason), so you’re having a hard time with what I am saying there.
Can you actually explain what my issue is (you should be capable of that even if you disagree and think my issue is invalid)? I highly doubt you can, because every post you’ve made has completely missed the point.
A reminder that Banquet Buddy wants Hamas to remain in power so that all of this can happen again.
A reminder than Banquet Buddy is so fucking stupid that he thinks that Palestinians will stop supporting Hamas if they are victorious in the conflict they launched on Oct 7.
A reminder than Banquet Buddy thinks that people become Hamas members because someone in their family dies, rather than because they believe that Hamas is capable of accomplishing the political goal of destroying Israel. Of course, Banquet Buddy doesn’t think that settlers becime settlers because they’re so upset over a Palestinian murdering their family members; he is able to recognize reality in that scenario, because he understands that settler ideology is based on the belief that if they keep up their strategy they will gain a single Jewish state across the whole territory. But he doesn’t give that same agency to Palestinians, because his oppressor/oppressed framework doesn’t allow him to view brown people as rational actors with agency.
The actual way to get people to stop supporting Hamas is to demonstrate Hamas is ineffective. That means not giving Hamas what they ask for when they launch a massive terrorist attack, and it means not slobbering all over Hamas’ cock like whenever their actions get Palestinian civilians killed. Maybe if the world held them to a shred of responsibility when they used civilians as human shields, rather than deep throating Hamas by accepting their “Israel bombs babies for shits and giggles” narrative, then Palestinians will stop supporting Hamas. But as long as all they hear from the West is braindead morons like Banquet Buddy defending Hamas and putting all the blame on Israel, why should they, as rational actors with the goal of a single Palestinian state between the river and the sea, stop supporting Hamas? Hamas’s tactics are working. The West is full of Self Hating Westerners ready to fellate Hamas. Clearly, continuing to appeal to them by getting more Palestinian children killed is a winning strategy. At least, that will be the case if international pressure forces Israel not to remove and replace Hamas.
Every accusation is a confession…
Someone really likes the taste of IOF dick, it seems.
…is that supposed to be an insult?
I’m straight, but if I ever did end up having gay sex, I certainly wouldn’t have any problem with it being with an IDF soldier.
- young
- physically fit
- middle eastern
- not a terrorist
Sounds pretty much ideal to me
This is where you want to go to after seeing those pictures and videos??
So you intended
as compliments? I’m sure BB will be glad.
Those are not the only two options.
I wasn’t intending the dick-tasting part to be the insult, there (speaking as someone who has tasted his share of dicks in his time)
You got 3 out of 4 right, at least…
Pity “kiddie-sniping génocidaire” is the ultimate turnoff.
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The issue isn’t with the dicksucking, it’s with whose metaphorical dick he chooses to suck.
Right, which is why I’m against Hamas dicksucking.
…I don’t trust you to know what the issue actually is.
Because if the actual experts had issues with the numbers, we would be hearing about it. You aren’t an expert. The guy you cited isn’t an expert. There were two sets of numbers, both gathered using different methodology, neither are 100% accurate, both likely to be significant undercounts, both numbers are the best we are going to get in an imperfect world. There isn’t a conspiracy here. Nobody is deliberately inflating any numbers.
I don’t want Netanyahu to remain in power, let alone Hamas. But we don’t live in a perfect world, and we can’t always get what we want.
October the 7th shouldn’t have happened for a couple of reasons: firstly because it was evil, and a warcrime, and tactic that simply doesn’t work. But secondly, and I know you are going to have trouble acknowledging this, but because Israel fucked up. There were intelligence failure. And communication failures. And strategic and tactical failures. Israel could easily leave Gaza right now, fix all of the things that went wrong on October the 7th, and never ever worry about another border incursion like the last one ever again, because they have total air, land and sea superiority over Gaza, they have complete control of the borders. And Gaza is so smashed up it will take decades to get back to where it was.
And the reality is, the only way for October the 7th to ever happen again is either Israel again massively fucks up, or if they deliberately allowed it to happen.
A ceasefire doesn’t mean “victory.” It means the hostages go home. It means Palestinians stop getting needlessly slaughtered.
I don’t think that. I think it’s infinitely more complicated than these imaginary scenarios you play out.
What is this nonsense about “oppressor/oppressed frameworks?” When have I ever framed this conflict in those terms?
Do you think that actually matters right now?
For starters, this is such simplistic, basic framing. And completely ignores that people are complicated.
But one thing is for certain, this certainly isn’t a justification for war.
Its not about giving Hamas what they want.
It’s about getting the hostages home. It’s about ending the daily slaughter of Palestinian civilians.
You know, its really sick that you use such crude terminology when you are literally talking about Palestinian civilians getting killed?
The world has condemned Hamas. I condemn Hamas. I want the people responsible for October 7th bought to justice. This narrative that we aren’t holding them responsible is a fiction.
It’s just that this war isn’t holding them responsible. This war is simply killing hundreds of Palestinians every week. Its collective punishment. Its ethnic cleansing. Its genocide. And the longer Israel continues, the longer it will be before the hostages get home.
So you’re not even able to say “I understand your objection, let me phrase it as best I can, and here is why I disagree”. Cool. Good example of your lack of intellectual honesty.
Then you’re a huge fucking idiot, because I absolutely think that Israel fucked up - the biggest fuckup since 1973 - and that Netanyahu is personally responsible for Oct 7th and must go because of that. And you’ve clearly never actually read any of my posts, because I’ve been saying that since Oct 8th. Again, another clear example of your lack of intellectual honesty (or perhaps lack of intellect).
This is a pipe dream. Maybe this would be true if Israel left Gaza and blockaded it tighter than ever; but if you expect any rebuilding to go on, it absolutely isn’t, because Iran will supply Hamas with everything they need to do another Oct 7.
Right. But if the plan is to sit and occupy Gaza for the next 100 years, then eventually, Israel will fuck up.
It isn’t a sustainable option. Hamas has to be removed so both sides can rebuild without having to worry that one fuckup will launch us into war again.
I do. It’s exactly at the level of sickness that I think you display when you talk about this conflict, putting all the blame on Israel. I use the crude language for precisely that reason.
Civility is not a virtue in and of itself.
And yet, you never do actually hold them responsible. Where is the political pressure on Hamas to stop operating out of civilian areas? Well, first you’d have to acknowledge that this is something they do, and that Israel isn’t shooting kids for shits and giggles. You can’t even take that step. So give me a fucking break, you aren’t holding them responsible for anything.
It’s the only thing holding them responsible.
Like fuck, it is.
We are.
Says you.
none of that is what I contested. You’re too chickenshit to even understand what my argument is, probably because you know you are wrong.