Discussion for the Israel-Hamas War: A thread in the Pit

Of course that protest image is antisemitic. Is anyone here disputing it is, or approving of it? No.

Does it make Israel right? Like fallacious hell, it does.

Does it excuse ongoing Settler colonialism in the West Bank? Nope.

Does it somehow negate Israeli genocide in Gaza? Not a fuck.

I don’t think I’ve ever been to a protest as an adult where there wasn’t someone there who made me go “Oh, Gods!” and roll my eyes. Doesn’t mean I stopped going to protests or felt it tarnished my own activism in any way. Same-same with the people turning to antisemitic tropes to express their outrage at the IOF and Bibi, or expressing their genuine antisemitism - just because they’re against the same people I’m against doesn’t mean we’re on the same side.

@Babale is nowadays completely silent on the things Israel does, like ethnically profile medics and slaughter schoolkids, journalists and doctors. But pretty damn quick to yell “Antisemite” at every opponent of the IOF butchery. And lie about what people on these boards have said. Would love a cite for the words he’s now putting in Israel critics’ mouths.

Leaving aside the absolutely trolling bullshit of “Hamas defenders” for the worthless dribble of the morally bankrupt that it so obviously is, of course.

No, he’s pretty quick to yell “BLOOD LIBEL”, and that’s an order of magnitude worse than “Antisemite”.

Be careful, or he’ll unleash his devastating attack of using mixed case text.

I assume that is the idea they are going for, seeing who appears to have made the effigy, and presuming that anyone who is pro-Hamas is up to date on their anti-Semitic tropes. I can’t actually know it without more information than what is provided in that photo, but yes I agree it is an anti-Semitic image. And the people who made it are not helping any effort for a peaceful solution in Gaza.

But I don’t agree that any association of Netanyahu with blood, or killing for that matter, is automatically a blood libel. You seem to have a very set definition of what qualifies as genocide, but you seem quite willing to throw around accusations of blood libel on a whim.

Certainly not every association with killing, and not every association with blood. Saying Netanyahu having blood on his hands is probably fine. Blood dripping from his mouth on the other hand is in the same area as Obama wearing a leopard skin toga and swinging from a vine. It’s hard to argue that its unintentional.

Malnutrition spreading in Gaza – still at low levels (3 deaths, ~60 cases) but it will increase if nothing is done.

Considering that the IDF is having to expend resources protecting its own facilities from right-wing Israeli mobs, and also investigate and prevent its own soldiers from disgracing themselves and violating individual Gazan human rights, it shouldn’t be that surprising that they’re failing to ensure all Gazans have enough to eat.

That we know of. There may be many more dying out of sight.

Let us not forget that a shot or bombed child cannot starve to death.

Proving that even the most anti-Palestinian Israeli is, at heart, truly a humanitarian!

Israel already has their own Guantanamo Bay, why shouldn’t they haven’t their own Abu Ghraib? It’s unfair!

Let’s hear from those merciless terrorists, Doctors Without Borders: Doctors in Gaza describe the horror of caring for children affected by war

…polio update.

Hepatitis A update:

Jaundice update.

Palestinian detainee update:

General updates.

The video of the destruction of the reservoir.

I’m sure that water reservoir was harboring Hamas terrorists.

Latest Smotrich outrage (from the Guardian, bolding mine)

The EU, France and UK have condemned a senior Israeli minister for suggesting it might be “justified and moral” to starve people in Gaza.

The comments from Israel’s finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, in which he said “no one in the world will allow us to starve two million people, even though it might be justified and moral in order to free the hostages”, sparked international outrage.

At this point, I’m feeling ready to embrace the “anti-Zionist” label. A country that includes people like this in the government has no right to exist.

Wtf? Blowing up a reservoir? I know, let’s not shoot the children, let’s let them die of dehydration and polio, instead!

I’m sure there was a tunnel underneath that reservoir with a gun in it.

And “in honor of Shabbat”, no less? What a shanda.

The difference is, the US didn’t put the Abu Ghraib torturers on television to tell the audience why raping the prisoners is Good Actually.

Israel didn’t put him on television - he went at his own initiative, and was immediately dishonorably discharged from his reserve unit as a result (which was probably his plan).

Channel 14, incidentally, is Israel’s version of Fox News, only not as classy and restrained.

Also, consider this: if Abu Ghraib had happened today, what would Donald Trump and the other MAGATs have to say about it?

How much of the IDF is guys like this, or people willing to tolerate guys like this?