It might help if you respond to my posts instead of the schizo ramblings in your own head. I didn’t say anything about excusing Israel’s actions or not.
Sure, instead of judging people based on their declared ideology and the actions they take, and their self selected groupings, we could instead judge them on their innate characteristics like nationality, ethnicity, or religion. Does that sound like a good idea to you?
Sorry, I didn’t realize that. Anyway, yes, the people involved in that are clearly rabid antisemites. But the “pray for Gaza” crowd as a whole are not, athough I’m sure they attract a lot of antisemites.
That can be taken a lot of ways. There are clearly a lot of bad apples in the IDF, for instance.
But more substantively, yes, there are problems with our police, and some of them are structural and we should make changes. Nonetheless, I support the overall mission of the police, which is to protect the people from criminals and other mishaps. When my elderly mom fell and broke her hip, it was the police who broke into her apartment and took her to the emergency room. I don’t want to completely eliminate the police. I don’t want to completely eliminate the IDF and its role, either. And the Pro-Gaza protesters similarly are an important voice in the discussion.
Not in that post, no. Elsewhere, yes. Should we take your comments in a vacuum and ignore shit like your constant defense of the IDF or misogynistic accusations of sucking Hamas dick?
I’m sorry, I’m just following your lead of judging an entire group based on the actions of a few bad apples when the majority of the group disagrees with them. It’s unfortunate you don’t agree with that when it’s turned back at a group you identify with.
…does anyone here on this board support the kind antisemitism shown in that picture?
Anyone at all? Bueller?
I condemn it. Loudly and forever.
I assume everyone else does in this thread as well. As do every pro-Palestinian supporter I know, as would every single Palestinian I follow.
It’s worth making a distinction between the “Pray for Gaza” crowd you mention, and the Pro Hamas protestors. Honest people on the Pro Palestinian side certainly do.
I have seen some Pro Gaza people condemn the Pro Hamas demonstrations, like this guy who I quotef earlier - here is what he had to say about the pro Hamas protests at Union Station (he is under no illusion that these were pro Palestinian protests):
But yes, I agree, most people who join the movement do so because they are misled, not out of antisemitism.
Some people support the oppressed, as they should. The Palestinians are oppressed. They mistakenly think Hamas fights for the Palestinian people, therefore reach the false conclusion that Hamas is cool.
To elaborate on this - from the guy I quoted moments ago, he says he was with some of the Jewish/Israeli people who went to demand the release of the hostages, who you mentioned earlier. Here is how he describes the “Pray for Gaza” crowd’s interactions with the much larger “Pro Hamas” crowd:
…most people have joined the movement because of the ongoing genocide being committed by Israel in Gaza, and the ongoing occupation of Palestinian territories.
And if you think that sharing a few images of burning American flags will cause any outrage here, just a reminder that 45 American physicians and nurses sent an open letter today to POTUS that included:
There is a thin line between “The oppression of my people is wrong because oppression is wrong” and “the oppression of my people is wrong because we should be the ones doing the oppressing”. The latter is most certainly not a left wing idea or one that left leaning people should be aligning themselves with.
It’s not really that thin a line. Most of us who support Palestinian rights, including us Palestinian-rights supporters who happen to be Jewish, are quite clear that we support the former of those two positions, not the latter.
Is there some antisemitism in some places in the pro-Palestinian rights movement? Sure, there’s antisemitism in some places in absolutely everything in modern global society (just like there’s also racism, sexism, homophobia, etc., in some places in absolutely everything).
Does that fact in any way invalidate the entirety of the pro-Palestinian rights movement, or diminish the urgent necessity of speaking up against the Palestinian suffering that Israel is inflicting? No.
Care to respond to what we are really saying, you fucking liar?
Sorry, we can only do schizo ramblings in the head.
Serious question, and let me begin by saying I am neither looking to defend those protesters or claim that they are not anti-Semitic.
That being said, you do not believe that it is possible to portray Bibi as a bloodthirsty devil and not be anti-Semitic? Below is a picture of George W. Bush as a blood thirsty devil. Is that also an anti-Semitic image? Or is it possible that Bibi has done enough harm to others to be called a blood thirsty devil, and it have no connection to his religious beliefs or ethnicity?
Not Babale, but no. It’s just too loaded of a term for anyone who’s Jewish and the history of blood libel accusations. The assertion the effigy was antisemitic was absolutely spot on, and had it stayed as just raging against the photo and not outright stating posters here disagreeing with the actions of the IDF and Israeli government supported Hamas, Babale wouldn’t have nearly the pushback they received.
Do you think that saying “here’s a picture of Bush as a chimp” means you should be able to portray Obama as a chimp?
Whelp, I don’t really believe in devils, but I have no problem calling Bibi blood thirsty, because he is. If you have a problem with that, it is your problem not mine.
Netanyahu is blood thirsty.
blood thirsty in a figurative sense not in a literal sense. The problem is that by portraying his figurative blood thirstyness as literal you run into the worst of antisemitic libel. So no, you can’t portray Obama as an ape and you can’t portray Netanyahu as having blood dripping from his mouth.
Interesting. So I can call him bloodthirsty, but drawing a picture of it is right out. That’s fine, my art skills are rather limited.
Can I picture him and Trump sodomizing each other on top of a pile of money and slack jawed voters while the world burns around them? No horns, no blood.
You know he isn’t being portrayed as a devil, right? He is being portrayed as a horned Jew, a classic trope of medieval antisemitism that unfortunately, like much of medieval antisemitism, hasn’t fully died away yet.
Yup.
But i agree that the picture of Netanyahu with horns and a bloody mouth is antisemitic and highly offensive. And i think he’s an evil man who has ordered the murder of a lot of civilians. But that image? Just nope.