So Israel needs the blood of Gentiles?
I could swear I’ve heard that one before.
Annd we’re back to Blood Libel libels!
You’re the one who said it, not me.
No, you piece of shit, I said “Dead Palestinians” you said “blood of Gentiles”. That was you, purposely, keeping that bit of pure evil alive and kicking.
My mistake. I should’ve understood that you meant something completely inocuous by saying that the corpses of Israel’s non-Jewish neighbors are a “resource” it urgently requires in order to preserve its own existence.
Carry on.
What “resources”, pray tell, does Gaza Russia have that Israel Ukraine simply cannot survive without?
Dead Russians.
See how that works Shitty?
…that doesn’t even make any sense. Maybe you should just leave the attempts at wisecracking out of this thread.
It’s not wisecracking. It’s playing a game of “I’m not touching you” with blood libel, trying to get the other person a warning.
That rat fucker still hasn’t retracted his implication that ((Israel)) somehow controls the world media through false accusations of antisemitism. He likes playing with antisemitic tropes with just enough plausible deniability that he can then back paddle and claim you’re making unhinged accusations. He’s not worth your breath.
Well, Ratfucker is playing these games in the wrong thread; you can’t get a warning for pointing out his blood libel games in the Pit.
My statement doesn’t imply that.
How people in the West Bank are treated may not have a direct effect on the current conflict(s) in your opinion, but they are very important in how the rest of the world views Israel.
I am NOT saying that Israel can’t police what goes on in the West Bank, but right the perception is that while misbehaving Palestinians are put down hard misbehaving Israelis are not, and that’s why there are accusations of a double-standard. Is that true? Personally, I don’t know, but if it isn’t true then Israeli is losing in the court of public opinion because the other side has better PR and propaganda.
Seems to me they’re being punished before they’re convicted.
Give that Israeli has destroyed the evidence who could ever know?
I do believe there are terrorists, and that some homes/businesses have been used for terrorism, but I question if the scorched earth policy is actually working. Israeli has been doing it for how long? Have things gotten better or worse? If worse maybe someone needs to try something else.
I do know that where I live police beating/abusing people is an aberration that’s condemned and not a practice that is excused. I do know that when a crime is committed in a building it is not automatically razed, especially if other parties not connected with the crime also live there or have an interest in the building. The Israeli actions do appear to be guilt by association rather than an actual criminal justice system. Again, if that’s not the truth then Israel has a PR and a propaganda problem.
I think if you weren’t doing “those things” in the West Bank you might have less trouble with the West Bank. Or maybe not, but if you keep imprisoning people for extended periods without trials and smashing the infrastructure you will definitely continue to have problems with the West Bank.
I do know that as long as the Israeli government continues to allow Jewish Settlers to illegally squat on the West Bank that you will NEVER have peace - unless you commit some ethnic cleansing. That’s part of the double standard - why aren’t the illegal homes of illegal settlers bulldozed? If there was any concept of fairness in West Bank affairs they would be, and those illegal settlers arrested and forced to locate to areas they are legally entitled to be. Yet that doesn’t happen on any large scale, and you continue to true to explain/excuse that double standard.
Treat lawbreakers equally in the West Bank or don’t expect an end to conflict.
I think you’re wrong on that. I don’t have any way to convince you of that, but I do in fact think the unequal application of law feeds into the negative view of Israel and the perception they can’t be trusted.
I want to emphasize that I am aware that you in no way approve of that, and I’ve tried to be careful to say these are the actions (or inactions) of the Israeli government and not that of any particular poster, including you, in this thread. There is always a gap between what governments should do and what they actually do do. The Israeli government should apply the law equally among all, at present they do not, and that contributes to negative views of Israel whether you like that or not.
And yet, that is exactly what those settlers do. Why are they not arrested, their homes bulldozed, and they be forced to relocate?
Maybe, just maybe, if Palestinians had some assurance that the Israeli government would actually enforce the law they might be more willing to trust that government.
Incorrect. English does have two separate terms.
People who legally “sit down” are called settlers
People who “push their way into crevices” are called squatters
Maybe English media should be calling Israelis illegally encroaching on land should be called “filthy squatters” instead of “illegal settlers” to convey more precisely what’s going on there.
For all the venom and fire being exchanged here I think all of us are more or less in agreement on that. There is a lot of delusion on the extreme fringe of both sides, and unfortunately that “fringe” extends a lot close to the middle than is good.
As my mom used to say: You don’t have to like the neighbors, but you are definitely not allowed to kill them.
Maybe your mother was smart enough to know this is not an absolute statement, but apparently you’re not.
Ahem;
Your statement that Israel “now needs” Gaza in the context of its “appropriating the resources needed for survival” doesn’t imply that Gaza has resources Israel needs?
Why on Earth does Israel “need” Gaza, then?
Black Americans are equal under the law and have been since 1865 yet there has been a century and a half of de facto discrimination even where there weren’t explicitly unfair laws, and despite not only Black members of Congress and the Supreme Court but also a Black President it is still widely acknowledged that too many people are still biased against them. Oh, and the proportion of Black US citizens is roughly the same as the percentage of gentile Israeli citizens.
Your statement is not proof of equal treatment. I wish it was. Arab Israelis might even be better treated on average than Black Americans. I don’t feel capable of making that determination either way with the evidence I have.
While I believe Jews are as deserving of a “homeland” as any other group the fact remains that there are many groups that don’t have a homeland. Just to name a few: the Rom (a.k.a “Gypsies”), Rohingya, Hmong… Not to mention all the people with greatly diminished homelands like the Natives of North and South America and Australia.
The Jews, like the Rom, have done a very good job of surviving centuries without a homeland. Even when a group does have a homeland many choose to live outside it - see “emmigration”.
The survival of Jews globally is not dependent on having a nation called “Israel” in the Levant. I completely understand that most Jews want to have such a thing but it is not, in fact, essential to their continued existence.
The exact same thing is true for the Palestinians
Maybe if people stopped acting as if a particular patch of real estate, however important or valuable, is NOT a life-or-death matter in the same way having, oh, oxygen we might be closer to so a solution that in fact allows multiple ethnicities/religions/etc. to live in the same territory.
Tell that to 6 million European Jews who didn’t have a state of their own to flee to.
The nice liberals in Western Europe and North America will happily take them. Next time. They promise. Unless they get outvoted. But then it’s not their fault, you see. They had the best of intentions.
Yeah, let’s check in with how Americans feel about refugees from neighboring Haiti!
“They’re eating the cats, they’re eating the dogs…”
Alright, well, I’m sure they’re fine with Jews, right?
“Jews! Will not! Replace us!”
Hmm, well, at least the Left is welcoming, right?
“Globalize the Intifada!”
Alright, fuck me…
Yes, that is always trotted out. Let’s not forget the millions of Jews outside of Europe who weren’t forced to flee and some of whom even fought to end the threat in Europe.
I keep hearing the nation of Israel being trotted out as a “safe haven” but it’s never seemed safe to me at all. It certainly isn’t one at the moment. Maybe it will be one day, but right now there are a lot of other nations that to me look a lot safer for Jews than that one.
You know better than to assume all Americans think exactly alike.
No, the world isn’t safe. It never has been. There was a lot fucked up about how refugees of all sorts were handled in WWII. There is still a lot fucked up about how refugees are treated everywhere in the world. There’s a lot of hate and division everywhere. I get it. You enjoy what-about-ism.
If I lived in Israel my apartment building would have a bomb shelter in the basement and I’d have to worry about rocket attacks on a regular basis. Living in America I don’t have those particular problems. The fact I have to worry about tornadoes and blizzards in a way Israelis don’t negate how much I enjoy NOT being attacked by neighboring nations.