Nuh-uh.
Yeah-huh.
In ancestral Kurdish land, illegally occupied by Settler Colonialists and sometimes referred to as “Turkey” or “Türkiye”.
Do you Zionist chucklefucks think people who are for a free Palestine aren’t also for a free Kurdistan? Or are fans of the Turkish government?
Then good for you for recognizing the great diversity in opinions among Zionists.
No one shouting about Kurdistan is blocking my daughter from getting to class in Montreal.
Oh come now. Not even you believe that.
I am very much aware of that, as the majority of my paternal grandparents’ families did not make it to the US and died horribly. Only a fraction of those two families were “privileged”, the rest reached didn’t reach Israel, either, and found no safe haven anywhere.
Yes, there are problems on both sides with lunatics and fanatics. And all of the above are actually in the US and Israel governments right now. I don’t think we should be complacent or dismiss the risks with saying they “just” this or that. In 2015 Donald Trump was a buffoon on reality TV. In 2016 he was president of the US. In 2024 he is trying again and openly stating what sort of dictator he aspires to be, and has a game plan to achieve it. Any one of these lunatics could rise to power give the right circumstances.
You know that’s nonsense - to that sort I will be forever a Jew. That’s the special hell of being of questionable Jewishness - there are plenty of Jews who will happily abandon you, and the enemies of Jews will still oppress and kill you.
And let me be clear - I am not anti-Zionist as a concept. I am anti the current government of Israel, and not at all happy about how modern Israel came to be, although I hold no illusions about how most nations come to exist. Israel should not be held to a double standard, even though it is.
Not a lot of authoritarian pushback on protesting Turkey, either, I imagine…
Nope I was specifically referring to people born and raised in Israel who were visiting the US (and in once case married an American) and the way some of them referred to Palestinians. It was both loathsome to see such hatred and a little scary. They were completely irrational on the subject, even more so than the standard bigot I’ve encountered.
Yeah, when you sign on the line for the military it gives a whole new meaning to the term “obligation”. And the NG has “been doing the army’s job” for decades now.
Sorry to hear what your grandson is going through. I hope he stays safe and returns whole and healthy.
Also not a ton of money pouring in from the Kurds or Turkey to fund the protests on either side. Keep propping up Iran, you are doing a great job.
Religion is not rational.
I think that if Israel actually did withdraw from the West Bank, including pulling out all the settlers there illegally they’d still have the problem of dangerous, violent, terrorist organizations but they might also have better PR with the rest of the world. Right now Israel is perceived to be part of the problem, and the settlers blatantly ignoring the law and their government allowing or even enabling that feeds into the perception that Israel doesn’t want to solve the problem, it just wants to take land and shove the rightful owners off it.
You wouldn’t have peace, but Israel might have more allies, or at least less opposition on the world stage. Does that matter to the Israelis? I don’t know. Would it make any significant difference? I don’t know that, either.
^ This.
At this point in time that is true. However, there are people in Israel, including in its government, who would very much like to turn Israel into such a thing just as in the US we have Christian nationalists who would like a totalitarian “Christian” state here.
That said - one should not conflate an entire government with those who are (currently, and hopefully forever) fringe extremists.
Oh, I know. I served a career’s worth. But this is only a hundred people that are being sent, so this seems like he’s being singled out for punishment.
Not sure he himself is of such important as to be noted by decision-makers and thus singled out. Seems to me more likely to just be a bad roll of the dice. But I freely confess I know even less about this than you do so I could be entirely wrong on that point.
Your mindless idiocy is excused.
Which among the great diversity of Zionist thought does not involve the denial of the rights of the Palestinians or any other goyim?
Probably the Zionists like me, who support a two-state solution that guarantees full human rights for all residents of the region, which could look like an EU style of government in which residents can live and work in either country as they choose but will remain voting citizens of only one (Palestine or Israel); maybe there are other ways to accomplish this as well. Obviously this is pie-in-the-sky dreaming right now, but at least it acknowledges that neither of these peoples are going to cease to exist, and a solution must eventually be found that recognizes the rights of everyone.
A two state solution would violate the rights of the Palestinians in that it would deny their right of return as guaranteed through various international declarations. conventions, and resolutions.
I doubt it, because I never see boycotts of Turkey or college protests screaming that Erdogan drinks the blood of children.
There may have been a bunch of Vegans protesting Canadian Thanksgiving a few weeks ago…