Not even I believe in documented historical fact? What the fuck are you on about?
As the old joke goes: a Bundists and a Zionist walk into a bar. The bartender says, “No Jews”.
It is the nature of human beings to fight territorial wars. There are few if any living people whose ancestors don’t include people driven off their land by conquerors. And few whose ancestors didn’t drive sometime else off their land. Most of us descend from both of those.
I believe in human rights for living humans. I don’t believe in attempting to unravel every territorial wars ever fought.
A two state solution (which could be two states that don’t get along well) would be a huge improvement from what we have today. Especially if Israel would stop grabbing more and more land in what’s left of Palestine.
@puzzlegal I don’t see the Palestinians giving up their right of return to sign up for a two state solution.
They did his country a great favor by using their Houthi pirates to rerout huge portions of international shipping around the Cape, AND the leading political party’s debts mysteriously disappeared right when SA brought the ICC case against Israel.
A real “I’ll scratch your back, you’ll take my enemies to international criminal court” moment.
You’d better believe I have seen pro-Armenian protests in college campuses. Don’t recall that anyone was on about Erdogan.
Israel certainly does not lack super rabid racists nor run-of-the-mill bigots, but is it any better or worse than any random country? I have no idea.
That and $5 will get you a small coffee at Starbucks.
I’ve seen the good that “PR with the rest of the world” does. I’ll take the IDF 7 days a week.
I just explained how a two state solution could respect the right of return. Apparently you missed it.
If there’s just gonna be one state, then - sorry, not sorry - that state will be Israel.
I’d prefer a two state solution, but if the Palestinians won’t agree to that, too bad so sad, Israel isn’t going anywhere.
And i don’t see the Israelis giving up the land where they were born. And where would they even go? They surely couldn’t stay in a state run by Palestinians who (largely) wish them dead.
So i guess you are saying a permanent state of war, unless one side exterminates the other.
There doesn’t have to be a conflict, depending on the details. A two state solution could be worked out that allows Palestinians two return to their ancestral communities without evicting Israelis (except, perhaps, recent settlers, but fuck them).
I missed nothing, thank you very much.
What you propose is something of an approximation fulfilling the Palestinians’ rights without full franchise throughout all of Palestine.
In the US, you can take legal title to land by adverse possession (basically the civil version of taking land by conquest). The details vary by state, but you generally need to hold the land for 5-30 years.
Israel has held much of that land since 1948. That’s not than 70 years and multiple generations of people born in the state of Israel.
I’m not sure what exact time makes sense for nations. There are still Jewish families who have keys to houses in Spain, too, but they aren’t getting those back. A lot of Palestinians aren’t going “back” (to a land their great grandparents left, in some cases). We need to look forward and try to find a path to human rights for those people. Both Israelis and Palestinians.
Yeah, unfortunately that mindset it the very crux of the problem in this conflict.
Like you say - on either side.
But it’s OK when the Zionists do it.
Keep licking Bibi’s taint, peace will surely follow.
I know it’s been pointed out to you before, but not everyone is as fervently willing as you Israel cheerleaders to excuse whatever their governments do just because of their naked tribalism.
I can be against Israel’s actions and yet also against my own government and against Iran. Imagine! Start a thread on what a joke SA involvement in Putin’s recent little family gathering was, I’ll be right there (even though I consider BRICS overall a great idea).
Ahh, I see. I’m more interested in human rights for all than in destroying Israel. Your position totally makes sense if destroying Israel is more important to you than Palestinian human rights.
That’s what it looks like.
Please, how is this germane to the topic, exactly?
How is the concept that “people sometimes lose rights to land despite not ever giving anyone else permission to take that land” germane to the war between Israel and Palestine? Really? I’m afraid i have stuff i need to do and don’t have time to walk you through that.
Your continuous aspersions are asinine and tiresome. It reveals the vacuousness of your arguments.
Do you still beat your wife, by the way?