You’re not even paying attention. It was the next fucking line out of his mouth.
Republicans argue that european-style healthcare (e.g. state-run) is terrible. Obama’s plan calls for universal coverage, but private provision of care. His opponents attempt to characterize that as state-run care in the European model. Whether the Republicans are right that European-style universal care is bad or not is beside the point.
Blinded focus? I think you’re projecting. I agree that this incident is largely unimportant. But the broader question of the thread does have some importance, if only to political junkies.
Scylla, maybe you should come back to the thread once you’ve actually read the content linked in the OP. It both answers your question about the relevance of the distinction between Obama’s plan and European-style health care as well as makes clear how weird it was for Fox to select that clip instead of the immediately subsequent statement out of Obama’s mouth.
You’re not even paying attention. It was the next fucking line out of his mouth."
No. You are not paying attention. If they cut the clip down to make it fit time, the natural place to do that is at the end, not the beginning.
It seems to me that if the state is paying for it, they are effectively running it, since they are determining what they will pay those providers. The distinction seems inconsequential.
Ok. The incident is unimportant. We agree. I’m missing the broader question unless it’s “Fox News sucks, doesn’t it?”
I finally looked at the clip. It’s…ambiguous. It does sound like he’s reading something, although ignoring the context the clip was taken from makes it harder to understand that he is reading. Add in the fact that they used it as if it were his position and not just a question he’s reading, which changes the context for the Fox News viewer, and it gets real murky.
European healthcare isn’t bad at all, in my opinion, but what matters is that Fox knows its audience thinks anything European is evil, so it wants to make that association as often as possible with regards to Obama’s support for UHC.
The whole point of this argument is that Obama’s position does not mandate that the state pays for it. That you got the impression that he was for single-payer health care shows that you are subconsciously buying in to the disinformation front.
Aww. The conservatives in this thread are so cute.
For normal people in what used to be America, these two things would just be two different types of system with pros and cons. In Fox News’ America, “European” is a dog whistle - see, for example, this Daily Show take on Fox News warnings that Obama wants to turn America into Sweden! GASP!
So, consider yourself enlightened as to why Fox News would mislead its viewers into thinking that Obama did explicitly endorse a European health care system.
For further reading, consider why one might call something a “death tax” instead of an “estate tax”, and so forth.
What happened to “Maybe that one was new, or in the machine?” Sort of makes your argument look silly when the better quote was right there next to the clip, doesn’t it? But, you knew that, because you read the transcript before posting.
And you also knew that the relevant clip was not at the beginning because you read the transcript. And you knew they clipped from both ends. So when you said “the natural place to do that is at the end, not the beginning,” you were talking about what, exactly?
That is an inaccurate description of what will happen under Obama’s plan. But more importantly, it is entirely irrelevant to this debate. Even if your opinion that paying for private insurance inevitably leads to government control is true, it is still a different plan from starting with top-down state control.
If only there were some way to prominently display the main question presented in a thread. Some sort of title device, or something. Oh well.
Really, you got that from “Obama’s plan calls for universal coverage, but private provision of care?” I think we’ve discovered the problem here. Maybe you did “read” the transcript after all.
That’s because they found out that Europe is not a country, but a continent that is made up of many country’s, one of which is France, and you know how the GOP hate the French.
I thought from context you were suggesting an alternate clip.
Not really. Your imprecise wording caused a misunderstanding. You did it again, above. When you say there is a better quote next to a clip, I’m presuming you mean from another forum.
I did, but I wasn’t speaking to the transcript. I was speaking to you. I responded to what I thought you were referring to. Now you are being a dick about it.
The segment. If it runs 1:03 and they wish to cut it down to :53, it’s easiest to cut at the end of the sequence, have Grover make his summation and then go to the talking head.
Ok
Don’t be an asshole. I said, unless the main point is that Fox news sucks which is the implication of the thread title.
I’ve usually enjoyed talking to you, but it seems your just playing semantics. Since you’re not usually an asshole could I ask you to stop acting like one?
Yeah, I know. I’m so fucking stupid. I have trouble missing what is so obvious to you:
-Fox news watchers hate all things European.
-Fox news watchers are stupid
-A stupid Fox news watcher who hates Europe and is not paying close attention because he’s beating his wife while drunk and who also happens to blind so that he could not see Obama was reading a question off the teleprompter could possibly have misconstrued the clip to suggest that Obama is going after “European style” universal healthcare.
-Having been indoctrinated by the right wing media and its whorish politicians who have beaten into his head the evils of all things European style are hapless drunk blind fox news watching wife beater will suddenly have a negative impression of Obamas Universal healthcare plan.
It’s so fucking obvious. How could I miss it?
It is socialist and it is European. It’s socialist because it’s the government taking care of us. It’s European because a bunch of countries in Europe have it. It’s also Canadian, and English.
And that dishonesty stems from the fact that Obama actually did not say the words that he says in the clip?
I’ll tell you what I actually think. I keep Foxnews and CNN both up in browsers specifically because I do not trust any single source. I prefer to have many. The fact that CBS ran a report on falsified documents regarding Bush’s National Guard service does not give me the intellectual liberty to dismiss everything that comes out of CBS.
I do not selectively add up the gaffes from one network while ignoring those from another in order to justify my dislike of a newssource with a slant that does not closely align with mine. I actually truly enjoy hearing news or arguments that have a different take than I would normally agree with. Generally speaking, I evaluate the story, not the network running it.