You didn’t watch the video did you? Read the Trump speech at the 5:35 mark. Did Obama ever talk like this? I think even Sarah Palin was more focused than this.
That’s true for diagnosing duck-dom, but not true for diagnosing any of the DSM-V disorders.
Did you not know this?
Can you provide the cite to the DSM that supports a diagnosis on that kind of evidence?
In the book Helter Skelter, it’s reported that Manson used to take a much lower dose of LSD than his followers when they would discuss his fanciful notions of a race war and his supremacy. So I agree that it was psychotic bullshit intend to control and manipulate other people, more than a reflection of his own belief system.
Charles Manson was diagnosed with Schizophrenia and Paranoid Delusional Disorder. The Schizophrenia seems evident in a lot of audio recordings of him I’ve heard he does that word salad thing a lot and can’t always maintain a coherent thought process. It might explain some of his more narcissistic traits too like maybe he thought he had powers or was on some higher plain of existence or something.
I understand this is more of an effort to crap on Trump than anything, but frankly the OP’s description sound’s like most people who run for national public office.
Manson seems to have felt less need to declare his greatness to the world, but maybe that’s just an effect of the less immersive communication technologies of his era.
Nonsense. Your claim is unusually confused. Slipping up in the middle of a sentence, regardless of how “bad” or “deficient” you want to pretend that is, is a completely different pathology from the the aimless rambling exhibited by Trump or, perhaps less often, by Manson.
Lots of politicians have narcissistic traits. Lots of politicians are assholes. Maybe even most.
And trying to match up Trump and Manson seems like a silly stunt to me - they’re not all that similar.
But certainly not all national-level politicians have blindingly obvious personality disorders, and Trump does. Trump is not just an asshole, he indeed has a mental disorder. Clinton - both of them actually - absolute assholes, I would not be happy to meet them, but neither one acts like they have a mental disorder. W Bush didn’t act like Trump. Embarrassing and not very bright, but not blatant NPD. Reagan - I know a lot less of him because I was a lot younger, but I certainly don’t remember him creating chaos firing his supposedly trusted advisors left and right, consistently treating people like shit, and so on.
Of course I don’t know these people’s private lives, so I could be wrong about some of them - but it’s awfully hard to be wrong about Trump because he’s SO obvious. I pity his family. And his country.
Trump isn’t truly incoherent - he makes up shit as a strategy to distract people. Manson - was he faking or was he really delusional - I have no idea.
You do realise that threads like this make Trump look good and his opposition look stupid, don’t you?
It certainly makes one member of his opposition look like a fool, and embarrasses the rest. I don’t think it makes Trump look any better.
Do you have a cite for this?
Y’know D’Anconia has a point. We really shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that Trump suffers from NPD.
I mean from the looks of things, he enjoys the hell out of it.
This comparison is grossly unfair. Manson had personal charm.
Not sure about him being a sociopath although he does seem to lack a conscience and at the least enjoys discomfiting others. Is that enough to be a sociopath? I don’t know.
His narcissism is pretty well established and I doubt there is anyone who is not on Trump’s payroll who thinks otherwise (and those on the payroll probably also think it but won’t say so publicly). The final verdict can’t be done without a formal, clinical diagnosis that Trump will never submit to but we all have gobs of evidence of his behavior and that diagnosis fits him like a glove.
And it is not just laymen guessing either:
- Donald Trump’s malignant narcissism is toxic: Psychologist
- The Mind of Donald Trump: Narcissism, disagreeableness, grandiosity—a psychologist investigates how Trump’s extraordinary personality might shape his possible presidency.
- Trump’s Mental Health: Is Pathological Narcissism the Key to Trump’s Behavior? (Diagnosing the president was off-limits to experts – until a textbook case entered the White House)
- Is Donald Trump Actually a Narcissist? Therapists Weigh In!
Ask yourself a question. If Trump went in for a formal diagnosis from a truly neutral expert in psychology and you had to bet $10,000 on the outcome which way do you think the diagnosis would go?
As far as I know, a person with NPD has a conscience and does it anyway.
This linguistics professor describes Trump’s speech as unadorned, pre-literate, showing clinical narcissism, lack of schooling and, surprisingly for an old man, adolescence. The Professor describes Trump’s utterances as “talk rather than speech.”
The linguistics professor thing is interesting, I can definitely see why he’d use the term pre-literate, that’s as a good a term as any to describe it. I think I mentioned this in another thread but I’ll say it again, what amazes me as even people grow older and maybe they slow down a little in their mental sharpness they still usually retain their vocabulary and even continue to add to it, in a best case scenario he dumbs things down for his target audience, but the sad truth is he really seems to talk that way, he sounds like a guy that has never read a book in his life and can only express himself in terse, monosyllabic, half-baked brain farts.