“Grade inflation” and “graded on a curve” are two different things. I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were unaware of the proper terms.
“Grade inflation” means giving everyone, say, an extra 20 points because the highest score was naturally 80/100. That’s grade inflation, and, as you say, can be horrendously hit by cheating or simply by a very good student in a class of average students.
“Grading on a curve” refers to applying grades corresponding to a bell curve : 2% get A’s, 14% get Bs, 35% get C’s, 35% get D’s and everyone else Fails. This is done primarily in very rigourous, old school institutions where one of the goals of the institution is actually to make underperformers drop out so their students are of a higher caliber. I’ve never seen an actual “grade on a curve” at a community college, where the goal is to retain students and their money, sometimes at great cost to the institution’s reputation.
So, G tech doesn’t have enough women. So what. Bitter because you didn’t get laid? Why should tech schools expect to have a lot of women? Ever notice how women don’t like techie things? They don’t (usually) work on cars, know much about gear in general, etc. Let’s just skew the money so women who don’t give a rat’s ass about semiconductors are forced into a technical career because that is where the AA is? That is nuts.
And of course, you don’t bother to dispute the FACT that women are outnumbering men as Colllege Grads. And by a signifigant margin. If any AA is needed, it is to get Georgia Tech nerds to study English Lit. In fact, we shoud do away with Georgia Tech entirely, sexist institution that it is.
Lets see, get the men out of tech. Put the woment in charge of it. Under this policy we wouldn’t have:
Telephone- Bell (Man)
Television- Farnsworth (Man)
Radio- Marconi (Man)
Automobile- Various (ALL MEN)
Movies- Edison (Man)
Sound recording- Edison…
Phonograph- Edison
Internal Combustion- Various (ALL MEN
Manned Flight- Wright Brothers (Both MEN)
The Calculus- Newton (Nutcases claim he was gay but still a MAN)
Practical Space Exploration- Von Braun (Man)
Modern Cosmology- Various (ALL MEN)
etc.
Or at leat not as soon (like never).
Let’s do like Chairman MAO! We can re-educate everyone out of teh sexist roles. It will be a great leap forward! We will force all the men out of engineering and make them read Emily Bronte, and we will put all the chicks in shop class!
In short, you are a nut and your argument is silly and stupid.
Wow, your arguments are really convincing, you’re now down to name-calling and stereotyping. If that is the only opposition to AA you’re capable off, you have convinced me all the more that it’s needed, because neanderthals like you clinging to stereotypes will keep capable people away from good education and good jobs, based on idiotic notions.
Yes, they were doing that at a very rigorous old school institution that I attended, Fullerton Community College! In that very old school place, California! And again, just because you saw a chart, doesn’t mean you know shit. You can assign any portion of the bell curve to any grade percentag3e you want. In general, at my school, it was top 20%=A, next 20%=B, next 30%=C, Next 20%=D, remander = F
And I am sure your major is germain. Is it in a technical field? I would bet not. When facts are indisputable, and you can’t kiss the professors ass, this stuff counts.
I got an “F” because I didn’t like the book “Hiroshima”. Try that in Calculus.
I’m a woman, so the answer is no . Rest assured that I have never had any troubles in that department.
Whether its nuts or not, it says a lot that you even needed to have the truth pointed out to you. White people benefit from AA more than any other group, but it is the racial minorities who are saddled with the stigma. A guy who is seeking entry into a highly technical field or a top leadership position is more likely to be “upseated” by a white female than a black person, yet it is black people who everyone always assumes got their jobs due to AA.
Capable people don’t have a problem getting an education or a good job. If you haven’t been able to achieve what you are after, maybe you should look within.
This is getting surreal. How many of those men attended Georgia Tech, again?
Furthermore, how many fantastically gifted women and minorities aren’t on your list because they weren’t allowed to attend school?
“Woman don’t like techie things”? Really, someone should tell my stepmom, who’s an engineer. Or any of the women on this page, for that matter. No one is advocating forcing anyone into careers they don’t want. That’s just an odd assertion.
Look, once again, I’m not actually a fan on AA, but your “reasoning” is getting more and more hysterical and deluded. It’s awfully hard to win hearts and minds in a debate when you’re frothing at the keyboard.
And why do you think you’re the only one here with a good job?
I’m curious why there’s a mod on my ass anytime I do anything remotely unkosher (maybe 2 times in the 5 years I’ve been a member) but Happy Wanderer gets away with calling people stupid in Great Debates.
Wow, I have to remember that excuse next time I get a bad grade. Or was your prof. so stupid that is the reason he gave?
I guess it’s useless to point this out to you, but just for the sake of fullness: you do know that most of the men in your list studied at a time when women were forbidden to study in colleges and universities at all? Maybe you haven’t heard it yet, but the Victorian notion that women have feeble brains and aren’t capable of learning such hard stuff as tech and facts and stuff has been disproven by medical science and by many real life examples.
You also forgot that two women were instrumental in the discovery of atomic physics:
**Marie Curie
and Lise Meitner**
Or maybe you haven’t heard of them, because the fame usually goes to the men, because of how we perceive society?
Um, I wasn’t talking about the women on this board. It is not a representative sample. In GENERAL women are less inclined to be involved with tech. How many female auto mechanics do you know? Yes there are some, and a women was even named “mechanic of the year” or some shiat by BMW. So what. Outside of the fuglies at the UofC, and such places, most women are NOT interested in techincal things outside of the biological sciences. And I never said I had a good job. I don’t work at all, except for managing my investments and teaching my goddaughter how to read. She would make a good scientist, but when she grows up could probably also pose for MAXIM.
Could you please stop all the personal insults and insuations to the posters and instead debate the arguments?
Secondly, if you really believe that capable people don’t have problems based on their skin colour, or being a woman in a men’s work area, you are the one living in a different world. Or maybe you simply never noticed how other people around you struggle, because you get through?
I remember reading an interview with the manager of a middle or big-sized company (no, I don’t remember details, so I can’t cite, sorry), who said in essence that he never believed that AA or quotas for women were necessary today - until he saw the troubles his adult, qualified daughter had getting a good job in other companies. Then he realized that the glass ceiling and uneven slope are very real for a segment of the population.
So, I can now insinuate that you weren’t able to get a degree (“didn’t bother”), and weren’t able to find a job, and now you blame it all on AA. Right. That’s not the first, and won’t be the last time, sadly, that somebody uses that reasoning.
Oh, if major in hard science is important, why did you say you could get a BA in Liberal Arts? (What subject would that cover, precisely?) But that’s not natural science, either, correct?
So you name TWO and one of whom had so little idea what she was dealing with that she poisoned herself! So where are the female Nobel winners in technical fields in modern times? Almost nonexistent! Of course you would argue that this is because sexism still exists.
Listen, you keep believeing that Men and Women are the same. Go ahead! I don’t really care. They are not the same, and this is an innate characteristic. If you don’t see this in your life, it is a cloistered one. I, for one, am glad that my woman is of a different nature than the masculine. She sees things that I cannot, and I see things that she cannot, and we are both the richer. If you want to study engineering and hang with the boys on the oil rig, I am not dating you, but I wish you luck. I need gas for my van, so I support your right to domestic partnership.
Actually, I was in school and got a lucrative job offer, and I learned more about my field in the first month on the job than in the entire time I spent on my major (computer science). The fact that I took many unrelated courses (I was minoring in art) during my time in school was a personal choice. I didn’t want to end up like the CS geeks who couldn’t form a sentence.
So, your assumption is false. I don’t work now, because I don’t have to. I quit school because I landed a job. So who am I blaming? And for what?
/sitting on 350k in my E-trade account
//yah, I blame affirmitave action for my abject failure in life :rolleyes:
