^^^ No I wouldn’t because it wouldn’t be a gathering that I am in charge of.
God bless you always!!!
Holly
P.S. I’ve been in that spot before actually. I lost a cousin several years ago to suicide and I didn’t say a thing about where I stand on the issue.
Yes it does. When you say something offensive, and continue to say offensive things, people have a right to say whatever they feel like.
And yet, you get offended when people get offended at you for “sharing a belief” that even you had to know was rude and obnoxious.
The “example” we are setting here is to dogpile on an obnoxious, immature, inconsiderate, rude waste of oxygen who doesn’t care at all about anything other than her own narrow little world.
This makes you the stupidest, most insensitive, self-centered FUCKHEAD on the entire planet.
And I hope that you fucking rot in your own hell for your sins.
…As you judge, so should you be judged…
You’re not in charge of this gathering either. And why didn’t you speak up? Because it was people you knew? That makes a difference if you’re speaking God’s word?
^^^ I didn’t speak up because it wasn’t my gathering to speak up at and I don’t believe that this is your gathering to tell me what to do at either.
Don’t be surprised if you are the one who ends up in a hurt locker because that is what can happen when you wish harm on another person.
Well people have the right to say whatever they feel like in return too, but here is what some of you didn’t bother to consider, if you are not willing to deal with that, don’t go saying anything until you are.
God bless you three always!!!
Holly
Then you understand where they are coming from about you, as well.
I actually agree with a lot of what you are saying regarding free speech. I also think what may be “jerk” to one person may not be to another…and that in itself seems like a set up.
That said, I think that it would be interesting to know what your purpose is for joining this message board. Saying “because I have a right to” doesn’t really answer that question. What are you hoping to gain by being here? I say this not to be snarky, I am genuinely curious. I agree that free speech means free speech for all, but it’s also important to consider the function, audience, and setting of said free speech.
You have chosen to enter a community with norms and a general zeitgeist–and you are the minority. That’s ok, but remember that in the eyes of most people here you are showing up to their house, knocking on their door, throwing a bag of dog poop at them and saying, “oh well not my problem! Clean it up! Love you!” and skipping away.
I agree that dialogue is important. I think that it’s boring to hear the same thing over and over. But you seem to be talking AT everyone and not listening enough. And despite your intentions, the signature and smilies come across as dismissive to others and an excuse for you to behave however you want.
I didn’t read the suicide thread. And don’t want to. But think how differently it would have been if you had said “even though in my religion suicide is considered a sin that results in hell, I wish peace for her family and will keep them in my thoughts.” See how different that is? I am pretty sure that you would disagree with about 100% of my beliefs, but I would never barge into your home/church/community and tell them you are lesser a person because we think differently. And before you highlight that last sentence and reply to it, re-read that paragraph (before this one) that I just wrote.
OK, that doesn’t even make any sense. Perhaps the mental meltdown is on it’s way?
^^^ How can you not get that? If you are not willing to deal with what may happen after you say or do something, don’t say or do anything until you are willing. How hard is that for you to get?
God bless you always!!!
Holly
You weren’t in charge of that thread.
^^^ No I wasn’t, but this is also not a family gathering either. It is a message forum where beliefs can be shared and if some beliefs are offensive in the opinions of certain people, sadly we never know who is offended by what until the beliefs have actually been shared. That is how we get to know each other and learn things about other people. By telling others about ourselves. Look at most if not all of the chats in the Cafe Society area of this forum. You will find a lot of that going on over there. People giving their two cents about what ever the chat that they get it on is about.
God bless you always!!!
Holly
Holly:
Here’s a question for you. It’s not even a hypothetical. This really happened. In one state, not that far from Tennessee, on a nice Sunday, a group of people gathered together as they believe Jesus commands to worship God. At the end of the service, a man who was not a member of this church stood up and started shouting how these people are not Christian and how their church is not a Christian church.
Obviously, the guy was not “in charge” of the service. Is there anything else wrong with what he did? If so, can you explain–for the love of Heaven, without the emoticon-fall–why and how it was wrong?
There you go. A nice, honest question without any attacking or insulting. I hope you find yourself able to answer it in the same vein.
I was nice too and asked some honest questions too but still have not gotten an answer. I hope she answers me…I actually think she has some valid points.
Within limits, yes. You didn’t pay any attention to those, and I hope you will next time.
Holly,
I want to acknowledge that you aren’t using the three smiles after every sentence - thank you. If you want people here to hate you less, please stop saying “God bless you always!!!” at the end of every post.
You come across like a bit of a lunatic when you do both of those. There are more atheists than theists on this board so it has as much meaning as if you said “Purple monkey banana pants!!!”
^^^ Swearing makes people sound filthy, but yet I see it done here anyways, so how am I different from the rest of you really? I am putting a mark on my messages just like everyone else does. I just use a different mark.
If that guy was jumped on, I am not surprised. He deserved whatever he got. What makes me different from him is that I am giving my two cents on a message forum like everyone else does. I am not doing that at a church.
God bless you two always!!!
Holly
She knows the word “solidify.” Verrrry interesting.
Marley23 aren’t signatures strongly frowned upon? Couldn’t she get about twenty-elebenty warnings for that? (Kind of like everybody knowing Al Capone was a killer but he got convicted for tax evasion…)
No, they are not, and there’s been at least one ATMB thread about her signoff. And if they were, she’d be told to stop doing it once- not given tons of ex post facto warnings for posts that were already made.
Good grief. Is there a single point anyone has tried to make to you in your posting history on this site that you’ve managed to actually get?
Jumped on? Whatever he got? Wow. Your version of a Christian church must be vastly different than other peoples’ versions. The guy in the incident I mentioned wasn’t jumped on. He was politely requested by the Bishop (the dude in charge of the event and venue) to leave as he was causing a disturbance or to cease causing the disturbance. As the the guy refused to (a) cease the disturbance and (b) leave, he was arrested by the local cops for trespass and they took him off the church grounds.
And, no, you’re no different than he was at all. Not at all. Zero. You went to a venue/forum/site and harassed the people there with not so nice comments about the person they were memorializing.
But, I guess you think that you only have to act nice in church. Well, the version of Christianity I’m fond of believing in says that you’re supposed to be nice everywhere. Try it, you just might like it.
^^^ Sharing a belief is not harassment, but to me what that man did is because he knew that he was going to offend the people there with what he had to say. I did not know that people were going to get so worked up over the belief that I shared especially when so many different people are here instead of that church group which consisted of people with the same belief.
I can’t make any promises when I don’t know what offends who and that right there is just it. No one knows if something is going to be said in return whenever a person says anything good or bad.
God bless you two always!!!
Holly
See, that’s just the thing. A poster in the other pit thread just had a loved one commit suicide and mentioned that as to why what had been said upset her so. Amazingly, there was no need to point out THIS BELIEF SHE JUST HAS TO SHARE to tell her her loved one was therefore burning in hell. When this was repeatedly pointed out to her, she initially ignored it, to only finally answer that she said nothing because there’s no reason to repeat herself.
Let me let that sink in…
From the person who REPEATS God bless you whatever every post.
From the person who has REPEATEDLY shared with everyone that she’s a virgin and waiting for marriage, even when she responded with that to comments that were only tangentially (or snarkily) related to that topic anyway.
She’s REPEATEDLY called threads “chats” although it’s been pointed out to her what is accurate about a gazillion times.
She REPEATEDLY says, to any query or criticism (no matter how valid) that she’s not responsible about what others do.
And the list is endless on what she has no problem doing REPEATEDLY. So, I’m thinking this belief that she has EVERY RIGHT TO SHARE (despite being explained that’s not the case on a privately owned message board) and can’t help herself telling other people, will always go unspoken in person or when confronted with a real live human on the other end. However, celebrities are fair game.
Oh, and truly, who wouldn’t assume that if you could envision a suicide asking for forgiveness before they died, wouldn’t you also think they could ask for forgiveness for killing their dog, THAT THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY MENTALLY ILL TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE?? As in, not thinking clearly. Duh.