Granted, my experience is probably a lot less than those of others on this Board, but I gotta say that this is not typical of any of the porn I’ve ever seen. To tell the truth, I can’t recall any of it having abusive behavior in it. It’s certainly not true to say that “MOST porn involves dominance and at least mild contempt”, at least not in my experience.
Huh? You missed the point entirely. I was not analogizing “performing in porn” to “the sale of alcohol to minors.” I was making a comment about the prevalence of underage performers in porn (produced by adults). To support my implicit proposition that it is not uncommon or exceptionally difficult for a 17 year old to fake the age necessary to perform in porn (18) I offered as evidence the fact that children the same age often fake an even older age (21) to buy alcohol. This has nothing to do with who’s selling what.
Do elaborate.
I have yet to see porn that doesn’t involve these elements–perhaps not the pulling of hair (although I ahve seen at least three-what would you call them? movies, vignettes, realtime flicks on the internet–that involve physically dominating the woman and acting contemptous/hostile toward her). Hey, 3 may not be a large number, but keep in mind that, barring the movie I mentioned above, I am NOT seeking this stuff out. I’m sure that all those Dallas guys really liked and respected Debbie. Please. :rolleyes:
You say it doesn’t have mild contempt in it–what do you call coming all over someone’s face, an act of love? And of course, all women want nothing more than to fellate their partner*–and get ejaculated on. And what of the verbalizing? If a guy ever said to me, “take it more, take it deeper, bitch”–that guy would be w/o a penis. Hey, if that’s what you’re into–go for it. Just find out ahead of time to prevent personal injury.
I have yet to see a porno that involves plenty of time for arousal, and/or emotional sharing for the woman to climax, but then again, it’s common knowledge that women do indeed always want it faster and harder and deeper and take about 4 minutes to come. :rolleyes: In fact, I can say that I have never seen porn that has any emotional warmth to it at all. To me, porn is completely unrealistic and a turn off. It’s seeing a man stick his penis into a woman’s vagina. And? So? It’s not my vagina–what the hell do I get out of watching? Why watch when you can do is my motto, and I’m sticking to it! 
*I am not against oral sex. Just thought I’d clarify that.
eleanorigby- All I can say is that if you’re unwilling to accept that your own warped view of porn might not be fully accurate, you really should stay out of thread in which people know what they’re talking about and keep your rolleyes to yourself.
Troy, unless you can lure forth or find and cite something indicating that eleanorigby thinks these problems are intrinsic or inherent to porn, I don’t think you have much foundation for saying her take on porn is “warped”.
Reciprocally, perhaps you could list some individual works or titles that you consider to have nary a trace of contempt for women or men-over-women power differential. Those who participate in the thread and who have an interest (or at least no qualms) about doing so can examine and report back.
I make no pretense of having seen reels and reels (or disks and disks, or streams and streams) of porn, but I have to admit most of it that I have seen has been appallingly bad and pretty much as eleanorigby describes.
Kindly note that there’s a world of difference between saying “porn is inherently inimical to women’s interests” and saying “all the porn I’ve ever seen eroticizes power over women and contempt for women, but it could be different”.
Well, I’m all for porn, in fact I write it, and think censorship is evil, so I can’t respond factually to the OP, but I can clarify here from the seamy depths of my knowledge.
There is a subgenre of porn that does involve slapping, hitting, and generally humiliating the female performers. It’s not BDSM, in that bondage isn’t involved, but definitely a rough sex kinda thing. Some men and women like it.
Most porn does not involve any of that stuff, though occasionally you will see a little of it slip into a mainstream porn flick. However, mainstream doesn’t portray women at all realistically – basically, they are portrayed as either aggressively seeking sex or happy to have sex with any male character who shows the least interest in having sex with her. Not exactly realistic, more a product of the male viewers’ interest in having the character get right down to the action as fast as possible than anything else.
That said, porn is a fantasy, criticizing it for not being realistic is like criticizing science fiction for showing aliens and interstellar travel when such things don’t exist. I think most porn fans understand that there’s a difference between fantasy and reality.
Thank you, AHunter3–for reading my posts correctly.
This thread was addressed to people who don’t LIKE porn, Troy --my not liking porn has nothing to do with your liking/indulging in it. I’ll :rolleyes: as much as I like at the stupid acting, the bad skin, the lame lighting, the emphasis on cock size and the insistence that she’s ready at all times, to do whatever it is “you” feel like doing-because she has no needs/wants/desires that conflict with yours. YMMV.
Evil Captor --I understand what you’re saying, and for all I know, most porn is not about dominating women–at least not directly( I will never understand cum shots, ever).
But if it all fantasy(and not a depiction of unrealized hopes), why is the industry so very geared towards the screwing aspects?Where are the other fantasies? I most likely could go out now and buy a DVD showing a woman and insert-name-of-animal-here, but where is stuff for me? Conventional porn is boring for me–I think it’s stupid.
I realize that many, many women enjoy “traditional” porn (if I can use that word–maybe conventional is a better word), but where is the market for those people who want fully fleshed characters (sorry, bad pun) and interesting plot lines AS WELL AS intimate scenes etc? Call it erotica, but that is mostly written (and some of it is very good indeed). Porn is now (almost) respectable or so it seems, so why not broaden the market?
Maybe I just want high class, intelligent porn–but that seems an oxymoron, no?
Caveat: I am not saying that people who enjoy porn are stupid or boring. Just want to be clear on that.
Because it doesn’t sell, I’d guess. If it did, and there were a large untapped market for it, you’d see it. I think the other sticking point you have (so to speak):
Is a self fulfilling prophesy. Man dominating woman = status quo in porn, woman dominating man = some freaky S&M variant of porn…um, how would you convince the audience something else was happening? Hetero porn is usually a Guy pounding something at a Woman…or hot girl on girl librarian action (but I digress). The fact you don’t like the money shot and the fact they INCLUDE the money shot as ‘proof’ of climax are at odds. The whole act of orgasm, when done normally, is pretty hard to show on camera.
Damn, this post is just FULL of double entendres. :smack:
Porn is HIGHLY formulaic, but no less so than top 40 pop and soap operas. I’d also suspect that the state of porn in America shows just how F’ed up americans are in their views…Behead a guy and it’s PG-13 if it happens fast enough, show a limp Full Montey and you’re pushing NC-17.
The whole act of climax is not hard to show on camera at all. In fact there’s a whole genre dedicated to the internal, also known as the “cream pie”. Which I think started in the homemade/amateur porn market and the “pros” started to capitalize on…it’s also lost it’s allure in the big studios since the last AIDS scare.
eleanorigby does touch on some good points, which is addressed in the amateur market; however as you noted most people want the fantasy and seeing a 35 year old mother of 3, getting banged by her 45 year old potbelly, balding husband, isn’t everyone’s cup of tea; but it is often very romantic in a, “Hey look at me bang my wife…” kinda way…it’s certainly not 4 minutes of him slamming into her and finishing himself off.
Dayum. A post that I do not understand–I understand the words, but I comprehend the meaning not at all.
Internal/cream pie? Huh? And why would filming such (whatever it is) be reduced by AIDS?
As to the 35 y/o and her husband–no thanks. Blech. I do want some good looking people, but my idea of good looking is not Pamela Anderson, it’s more like Jodi Foster…
I am hopeless when it comes to porn. Enjoy yourselves.
And maybe someday, I will break open the market of high class, WASPy porn(but have it multi-ethnic and cultural, of course).
Also, last thing: I thought the money shot was there to “prove” to men that they weren’t being taken for a ride–which is ironic, since all porn IS a ride, really. It ain’t happening to you–you’re watching etc.
Apologies. The internal is when the guy shoots inside the woman’s vagina or ass and the woman ‘shows’ it, either by pushing or allowing it to flow freely. So you can image the increased risk of AIDS in such a practice, as opposed to the traditional external shot.
BTW, there is a “high” end, high concept studio. Private. They produce lavish productions and storylines in foreign locations, with beautiful people.
…but it’s still porn.
Maybe the camera could wear a condom?
And just as an aside, the ads down below are all for animal euthanasia…how bizarre.
That’s kind of a big statement to make with no cite to back you up.
While this may have been the case in the past, I’m pretty sure current mainstream porn shops make a prettyt decent effort to check the credentials of their talent. The big stink made about Girls Gone Wild featuring 17 year-old girls leads me to believe that it’s pretty rare. GGW is filmed under the most chaotic atmosphere in porn, and they’ve only had a few incidents. Tightly controlled studio porn would be much less likely to be fooled by a fake ID.
If I’m a porn producer, In an industry that makes more money per year than Hollywood studios, why would I take the chance?
It’s kind of old, but I think the Ask the pornographer thread might be of interest to some people in here. The OP runs a heck of a porn site, IMO.
Wow. Miller --thank you very much.
It would seem that I am not alone in my desire (sorry) for kinder, gentler porn.
Maybe someday…but right now I’ll stick with steamy scenes from movies I like…