That seems unlikely with my proposed plan.
Your “proposed plan” is to change the way a huge sports/entertainment industry functions to accommodate an exceptionally small idiosyncratic human population. The result of that kind of wholesale change would cause demonstrable harm to a far larger groups with an interest (amateur and professional) in sports.
‘Hey, everybody! What do you all say we make swimming across the English channel more popular than football (soccer)?’, is a non-sensical solution.
I’ve updated my plan to let everyone participate and judge people on effort for school-level sports.
(We should though focus more cold-endurance sports.)
I’m not sure if you’re serious or factious with suggestions like this, but almost no one would want to participate in sports as you’re describing. People like playing sports as they are today. That’s why they play them. They find them fun. Almost no one wants to play traditional competitive sports in the manner you describe where there are vast differences in skill and a judge determines the winner. So if there were sports like that, there would just be a tiny subset of people who would play them. Everyone else would want to play sports the traditional way. If you really are trying to participate here in a way that might generate real-world solutions, you should really consider if what you’re describing could actually happen in the real world we live in.
How do you suggest we measure “effort”? A fat kid who has never run a mile will have to make a far greater effort to run a mile than a kid who runs track. Who do you suggest should be rewarded at the end of that race?
Why?
Most students are excluded the way sports are done in school today. If you have a school with 2,000 students, probably 20 have a realistic chance to be one of the 12 basketball players just because of their genetic. 99% of the students are excluded before effort and training come into it.
Have you ever trained at running? One of the things you train is the ability to put in more effort. To push through. Often the trained miler will work harder than an untrained kid could. But with my plan, the “fat kid” could train himself to put in just as much effort even if he wasn’t genetically blessed to run a 4-minute mile.
To measure, we could look at time progression. Measurements of lactic acid, heart rate, and other objective measures. Perceived effort on the subjective side.
It’s an area where girls have an advantage on average.
It’s already a tiny subset. My plan opens things up to everyone. As currently run, most are excluded on genetics.
Great! And that affects trans issues how? It seems like it’s a problem in general. I’m sure millions of kids will be ecstatic if they can make the BB team with LeBron and be judged on their effort rather than how many slam dunks they can do. If you want to discuss completely reformatting competitive sports to ensure all levels can play, that sounds like a great topic for a separate thread. But to propose it as a solution to how trans kids can play sports, it’s hugely distracting.
The nonsensical solutions you are proposing are harmful to the trans issues. All of us are real people who may face this issue in real life and are here to understand the issues and figure out possible solutions. As the father of competitive daughters, I would vote against a solution like yours if it came up in a school election. I’m here because I’m hoping for useful discussions that come up with practical solutions which allow both trans and cis kids to play in sports. Nonsensical solutions like you are proposing are just a distraction and make me less likely to support trans kids in sports because people like you are not really looking for actual solutions.
I run. But I’m not a “runner”. I have participated in multiple amateur sports and have trained for sprint distance triathlons. So I know what it takes. Your solution to judge a winner of a race based on blood chemistry and heart rate is laughable.
I was a competitive downhill skier in college. You’re just wrong.
Downhill skiing is a endurance sport? Look at the results in cold open-water swims of over 40 km. Women kill it. Girl students would kill it, too.
My initial proposal was to let trans girls compete with other girls since they are all girls. But people keep bringing up side issues. My plan addresses thoses issues.
I could go back to saying let all girls compete in girls’ sports, but then people will attack that on “fairness” grounds.
The only way to address trans girls in school sports is just let them compete as the girls they are or re-form sports.
Just stop. Your reasoning is fundamentally absurd.
What makes you even think girls students (much less any other student) would want to participate in that?
You seem to be stuck on that for some reason, even though very few participate in that sort of thing.
As far as I can tell, the record for swimming the English Channel is held by a guy; but, of course, that’s only ~34 km. The record for swimming it two ways, though, also appears to be held by a guy — just like the record for three ways.
Why 40 km?
This looked at 46 km. “The best women were ≈12 - 14% faster than the men in a 46-km open-water ultradistance race with temperatures < 20°C.”
Who currently holds the record for that swim?
But, let’s say that, notwithstanding the nichest-of-the-niche characteristics of this activity, the cold-water open over-40km swims are distinctly favorable to XX humans. So?
Maybe XX humans are also better at, say, cheese rolling races, that doesn’t mean that we should socially engineer the whole landscspe of sports just to find a tiny, tiny few that might give some women an advantage.
Also, that type of swims might also mean fewer people even could try them. It’s not like you can “hey, let’s have some pickup 40km swim” or that there would be many “40km swim moms” in minivans taking their daughter to meets in Nome.
It also would screw trans athletes.
How does that relate to students? We can extrapolate that girl students would be similarly good as adult women, but I’m not sure what the world record holder’s name has to do with anything.
In any case, I don’t know a single person who holds a world record for any race in any sport for any distance.