… and where did the Jews get there from, thin air? 
Anyway by now a lot of the people who move to NYC are just from the US. American-American, as it were: melted pot.
Well, Europe primarily, from western to eastern and Russia, over time, though that’s not specifically about New York.
All true… but when I wrote “not sure about the why,” I simply meant I’m not that familiar with the history of tensions between (elements in) the NYC Black community and (elements in) the NYC Jewish community, which is presumably what Hari Seldon was referring to (though I could be wrong). I do remember the Crown Heights incident.
This would be rather ironic, since the early-1960s NYC folk music scene was in large part driven by Jewish artists and managers, as delightfully parodied in A Mighty Wind.
It was played Sunday morning on the radio station I listen to, as part of a Veteran’s Day thing.
Yeah, but that means a lot of them went there from the places Seeger mentioned. His list wasn’t divided by ethnicity or religion, it was just geography (can’t even say he was listing countries).
Sort of?
I knew the first sentence under the spoiler, but not the rest.
I have encountered before that Springsteen covered some of his work, but did not remember that until prompted.
So while I wouldn’t be like “never heard of him”, I wouldn’t say I knew who he was either.
Know who he was, but lump him together with the Guthries.
And I know that is a reference to what Woodie Guthrie had on his guitar.
So did I, so I found it.
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Hell, the most commonly heard version by Woody himself doesn’t contain those two verses.
Most well known version:
Less commonly heard version, with the “private property” verse:[/QUOTE]
A few months back, I saw an ad for some outdoor apparel company that had the private property verse as the background. Except in their version the sign said “No Trespassing”.
I said aloud, “Now there’s a verse they didn’t teach us in school!”
Somehow I knew it was part of the original, though.
(I gotta say, “trespassing” kind rhymes with “nothing”, while “property” absolutely does not. Seems an improvement IMO).
For parody, I prefer:
This land is my land,
That land is your land.
Get off of my land,
Go back to your land.
From the gulf stream waters
to the redwood forests
This land was made for only me.
Force kids to sing something in school, they’ll grow to hate it. 
I noticed Asia was curiously absent from his list. And it seems plausible that Asians make up 25% of the population in NYC. (Especially if one counts India, Iran, Iraq, and a whole lot of countries that end in -stan. As one should.)
But I’m guessing.
Hari, please tell us who the excluded 25% were, and why including them might offend a black audience.
33, Irish. I’ve heard of him and enjoyed his music, and long before the Springsteen record pushed him into the public eye in recent years.
Yes, he was, at least until the early 90s. IOW he renounced his support for Stalin 40 years after Stalin’s death.
Cite.
What made him a Stalinist is that, in common with the rest of the American Communists, he opposed any attempt to fight Hitler until, at the direction of the Kremlin, he reversed course after and only after Hitler attacked the Soviet Union. He referred to Stalin merely as a “hard driver” while Stalin murdered tens of millions of people.
He was one of the “useful idiots” of the 40s and 50s. Good singer, though.
Regards,
Shodan
Well, to be fair, he was a Stalinist for a while… but what he really was, at the core, was a populist, and when he learned about Stalin’s atrocities, he did repudiate Soviet-style communism. And that was in 1949, at the age of 30… and he died at the age of 94, so he spent his last 64 years as an anti-Stalinist. Thus, while the “Stalinist” charge does have some truth, simply referring to Seeger as a Stalinist is a bit like referring to Ronald Reagan as a liberal because he started out that way.
Now see, if I had been your wife I would have gone along with naming a son Peter, or at least middle naming him Peter as I love Pete Seeger’s music.
My favorite is the version of Give Me That Old Time Religion that he and Arlo Guthrie did 
And Shodan says to push on!
Admittedly, even though I’ve listened to folk and rock for decades I didn’t specifically know who he was or his relevance until after several years of being a doper and reading Café Society and other threads. Familiar with his work, yes. Familiar with him as the responsible musician, not so much.
Not a fan but I certainly know who he is.
The results here make sense for this board, we skew older, musical, and political. It’s not a name everyone will recall, and if I didn’t live close to him and see him in public performance many times I might confuse him with Bob Seger myself. I know they’re two different guys but I’d probably forget which was which.
He was a useful idiot for a while, along with many others who believed the Soviet Union was building a worker’s paradise. Those last two stanzas are no big deal, they expressed reality, only those cowering in the face of the Red Scare would see those words as un-American.