It can either be extremely selfish or extremely unselfish depending on the circumstance. If people are counting on you I think it’s pretty damn selfish. If someone is going to be emotionally devastated by your suicide, chances are they love you enough to help you through your hard times.
Wouldn’t it be nice if that is the way life really was? I am sure they would if they could, but in the case of many, many depressed people, they can’t. Are you familiar with treatment resistant depression? If mental health professionals find it difficult to treat 30% of depressed patients, how is a family member supposed to expect to do better? That’s quite a burden you put on them.
What if their help isn’t enough? What if they try to help and fail? What are the acceptable methods to help someone not commit suicide? How long does the suicidal person have to wait for the helper to do his or her thing? How close does the relationship have to be for the suicidal person to be considered selfish or unselfish? Is there a form to fill out? If people can’t help, does that mean they don’t love you? What about neurotics, who tend to feel emotionally devastated by anybody’s suicide: Should we all have to wait for them to try to help us?
Well…in the case of a suicidal friend he thought that he was such a worthless piece of shit that his daughter (and everybody else for that matter) would be better off without him. And there was no convincing him otherwise. That’s depression for you.
Generally speaking I can’t really understand that people deny this ultimate freedom to other by condemning them for cowardice or egoism. How much are you obligated to suffer for the well being of others?
Also, there are untreatable depressions. In the Netherlands, were euthanasia is legal in some circumstances, courts have at least once deemed valid an euthanasia request in such a case of depression.
I’m no coward, but I am in so much emotional pain that suicide actually would be a relief.
You’re absolutely right.
In the case I mentioned nothing short of permanent physical restraints would’ve, in the end, been the solution.
You think I should spend the rest of my life permanently restrained because I’m suicidal? I could live another forty years!
At this point I don’t care what you call me (coward, lazy, weak, asshole…) I’ve been called worst, sometimes by my own family, I’m just worn out. Every day is generally a miserable and uncomfortable day, some more so than others. There are no good days.
I don’t have children,
I don’t have an SO,
I don’t have a cat,
No one is dependant on me for anything,
I have isolated myself (it was really easy),
I will NOT suicide by [cop, train, bus …],
I will NOT put others at risk,
Sometimes for some people it never gets better.
i was refereing to my family member who commited suicide.
I’m sorry, I had missed your early post about having someone close to you commit suicide.
ETA: Rereading things, it seems I miss understood several posts. Sorry about that.