Can you quote the section that addresses abortion? I’m not seeing it.
That’s what i was gonna say.
It isn’t really about (anti-)abortion extremists but it does mention them in passing:
Then why should you be able to put the kid up for adoption if it inconveniences you? After all, there will be a great deal of psychological dislocation to a child who is cycled through the foster care system. Why not just say to the parents: “Well, you two had sex and you made a baby, now you have to marry each other and raise the kid.” After all, this used to be a fairly common response to just such a predicament (see Wikipedia, “Shotgun Wedding”).
What happened is that we discovered that forcing women to bear children that they didn’t want (or better, believed, often rightly, that they were not prepared to support and usher into adulthood) serves nobody’s interest. All the high-minded talk about how every sperm is sacred was dashed on the reality that no, a blastomere is not really a lot like a mature human adult or even a newborn infant and that consigning people to life-altering negative consequences just to satisfy somebody’s Thomistic view of reproductive ethics doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
So let’s give up the fatuous contention that women get abortions because it merely inconveniences them, shall we?
Chaplains are non-combatants. Know what else is funny: militaries employ doctors to gasp save the lives of enemy prisoners!
Heck, I’d cheerfully stipulate that a fetus is human, a person, alive, sentient… slather on all the labels you want.
I’m pro-choice for entirely different reasons.
Lets not
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I noticed upthread someone disagreeing with the usage of the word vigilante. Check out Definition 3 under the first entry.
blowhard alert!
In other words, you think a mindless lump of tissue is of greater value than a woman. I’d ask why you just don’t come out and call women something like “sows”, except you probably have greater regard for animals than you do for a mere woman.
Six months, at the earliest for human brain waves. The heart doesn’t matter.
It’s ALWAYS a risk, and has long term health consequences. Not that I believe that you actually care, or do anything other than gloat over the death of a woman.
I never said anything about abortion. The report was about right-wing extremism. The suspect is a anti-tax protester, a militiaman, and has now shot an abotion provider. Do you need more evidence?
I’ll say.
My objection stands. It still carries the implicit assumption that the target of vigilantism is an appropriate target for the justice system.
Such was not the case with Dr. Tiller.
P.S. Der Trihs, how about we find you a seat at the kid’s table?
Gobble a dick, Gibbler.
I asked a legitimate question and raised a legitimate point, as well as being educated on the laws regarding late term abortions.
My sadly anecdotal experience tells me otherwise. There were lots of women in the abortion clinic both times I went to accompany my girlfriend for their procedure, and most of them were barely pregnant, which tells me they are terminating their pregnancies for the sole reason that they got knocked up and don’t want a baby.
That’s their right, though. It doesn’t make it any less sad. BUT…
And as far as this guy that got killed goes, from what I can tell he was providing a valuable service by being a late term abortion doctor, given that it appears that the only legal reason he was performing these types of abortions were in fact protecting the mother’s health (because some people die giving birth) or terminating a pregnancy where there were severe developmental issues with the child-to-be. I have no issue with that, nor should anyone.
With gusto!
Ha ha. Insult FAIL!
That’s probably what the guy who killed Dr. Tiller thought too - he just happened to part ways with you on who exactly is expendable.
To give more context to this story, George Tiller was in fact recently put on trial over the question of whether he was violating the state laws on late term abortion by having someone who worked for him rubber stamp all his late term abortions as the “second doctor opinion”. It would not surprise me if the killer in this case was someone who was angry over that verdict and felt he had to become a vigilante to see justice done. That sort of reaction is certainly not unique to abortion debates - just look at the recent thread we had here about someone wanting to assault the guy who had raped his niece. Some people, whatever their ideology, get angry and violent when they feel the justice system isn’t able to help them.
Among pro-lifers and abortion protestors (I will freely acknowledge that the guy who killed Tiller can’t really be called “pro-life”, but there are many pro-lifers who really are consistently against violence), Tiller was notorious for years for being one of the few doctors willing to abort healthy babies who were old enough to be viable.
One of the former workers at his clinic, Luhra Tivis, wound up defecting to the pro-life side and testified that he was doing late term abortions on healthy babies using deceptive practices. Girls and women flew there from other states to get late term abortions.
He also raised ire over situations like Sarah Brown, a child left permanently disabled after a botched late term abortion by him
and allegations of injuries and deaths of women receiving abortions from him.
My opinion is that Tiller’s killer was an angry person acting alone. Operation Rescue certainly did not like Tiller, but if the group had truly wanted to kill him, they would have done it a long time ago instead of letting more abortions take place over the years while they just protested outside his clinic. Just like not everyone who is in favor of animal rights want to kill everyone involved in the meat industry, many pro-lifers find abortion distressing but honestly don’t want to hurt anybody.
All the terminology people have created around the abortion debate to control the terms of the debate is so fucking annoying.
“Pro life” and “pro choice” are douchebag ways to refer to the positions on the abortion debate. People see “pro life” and say “you’re a hypocrite if you ever advocate anything that will result in death!” … “your family is being raped by a gang of bikers, and you have a shotgun… but if you shoot them, since you’re pro life, you’re a hypocrite!” is a ridiculous argument. The term clearly is meant to be in regards to the issues of abortion rights. You’re creating hypocrisy out of thin air.
I’m pro abortion generally for practical reasons, but I hate the arguments that abortion supporters use about 90% of the time.
Yes, most women get abortions because they don’t want to be pregnant (and 90% occur in the first trimester). This is supposed to be a revelation of something?