Actually, SenorBeef, I think there’s a good argument to be made that your post might be just as happy in the mini-rants thread.
'Cos it has fuck-all to do with what anyone here is talking about.
'Cept maybe, Trihs, over there at the kiddie table. And that’s only if you squint and hold your head j-u-u-u-st right.
It’s relevant to all the people who said “wtf? how can you murder someone if you’re pro-life?!? hypocrite!!!” - there were at least 5 posts like that in this thread.
This is so true. If only their dickhead boyfriends had used a rubber.
I am sure you will.
Gobble gobble.
Chapter 4 of Levitt and Dubner’s Freakonomics was about the role legalized abortion has had in reducing crime. Unloved, unwanted children are more likely to become criminals.
Interesting data point: my Mother’s life was saved by an abortion. She had an Ectopic pregnancy, and was bleeding profusely. Under the laws proposed by some of the anti-abortion types, she could have bled to death to save the “life” of this “baby”.
This would be a great argument if it wasn’t people on the anti-abortion side of the debate who came up with the “pro-life” moniker.
Almost irrelevant. You can make a case that they’re douchebags for giving themselves that label (probably true) but people understand that it does not mean “pro life no matter what in every circumstance” just like “pro choice” doesn’t mean “I’m pro choice, I think people should have a choice in anything… whether they want to have abortions… whether they want to rape kids, whatever! Choice is good!”
So pro-choice people are dicks because they point out arguably false contradictions in pro-life positions… but pro-life people aren’t dicks for making things up?
The idea that measurable “brain waves” occur at six weeks, for example.
Straw… man?
I was responding to comments in this thread. Specifically, the obviously fallacious accusations of hypocrisy.
Oh, well, carry on then. If you think there’s no hypocrisy inherent in murdering abortion providers in the name of Jesus, more power to you.
I didn’t say that, although I’m not necesarily disagreeing with it.
Are you anti-murder? If you could go back in time to kill Hitler, would you? BUT YOU’RE ANTI-MURDER! HYPOCRITE! … they can logically view taking one life here as a way to save dozens, or even thousands if they discourage people from becoming abortion doctors.
Additionally, do you think it’s inherently impossible to hold a pro-life (on abortion) stance and still advocate the death penalty? They view themselves as the protectors of innocent life - while not the defenders of guilty life. To you, there’s a huge difference between a serial killer and an abortion doctor - to them, not quite as much.
Thinking someone is wrong doesn’t mean you have to pull arguments out of thin air to malign them in inaccurate ways.
Birth control is a two-way street, pal. Why didn’t YOU use a condom? Don’t put the blame all on your girlfriend, shithead.
Oh, and?
Then shut the fuck up.
Senor Beef go eat yourself.
I know I say this EVERY time a thread like this comes up, but whenever I hear this crap, it makes me want to run right out and have an abortion – and I’m not even pregnant!!! If only to piss everyone off!!!
Well, the extremists–at least the one in question–are fully convinced that the justice system should’ve dealt with Dr. Tiller. So, since the laws and the courts weren’t on the extremist’s side, he decided to dispense justice himself. Now, if it can be proven that the murderer killed Dr. Tiller for another reason, then I’ll happily change my viewpoint on the appropriateness of the term vigilante in this case. No problem if you disagree.
Argent didn’t say anyone was “expendable.” He said the world was overpopulated, which it is. Saying that we need to reduce the birth rate is not equivalent to saying anyone should be killed.
No more context is relevant. He was murdered. That’s end of it.
The jury acquitted him of those charges after less than an hour of deliberation. The prosecution was political and the charges were bullshit.
She testified where? In what court?
Luhra Tivis is an anti-abortion, activist nutbag, and a member of Operation Rescue. None of her fantastic accusations have ever been substantiated. In short, she’s a fucking liar.
How about a legitimate cite for this crap? I can’t find a single hit for this claim that doesn’t come from a hysterical, anti-abortion website. Let’ see some kind of credible, objective citation with actual facts. I’m not buying it.
and [url=RealChoice: Tiller patient dies]allegations of injuries and deaths of women receiving abortions from him](http://www.montfort.org.br/index.php?secao=imprensa&subsecao=mundo&artigo=19980928&lang=eng).
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Opertation Rescue once pressured prosecutors into investigating the death of a patient who died of sepsis after an abortion (which may or may not have been performed by Dr. Tiller). The grand jury refused to even indict, saying he’d done nothing illegal. People die from surgical complications all the time. People die after appendectomies. It doesn’t necessarily mean the doctors did anything wrong, and no evidence was presented that Dr. Tiller ever did anything wrong, no matter how desperately some people wanted that to be the case.
I don’t think anybody is alleging a conspiracy by Operation Rescue, but they don’t help anything if the foster members with homicidal ideation.
Bill O’Reilly might have some blood on this hands. He’s been viciously and dishonestly smearing this guy for months, and has likened his practice to a “Nazi death camp.” I suspect O’Reilly has gotten exactly what he wanted (though he’d never admit it publicly, of course).
Definitely. People that aren’t directly affected by policy or law have no valid opinion on them. No one on this board is in guantanamo bay, therefore no one should be anti-torture!
An eloquent argument as always.
To be clear, when I said “I’m not necesarily disagreeing with it”, I’m not saying I think the guy did the right thing - I meant that the logic isn’t without merit.
I’m not defending the guy. I think having abortion available is a good thing. But you (collective) look like idiots when you just circle jerk and make fallacious arguments against the guy.
RNATB said “prior to the 20th week”.
Those links are both past the 21st week.
Believe it or not I had anticipated the possibility of such a response from RNATB, but discounted it as I felt even he would not be so foolish as to try to split that ridiculous hair.
But seeing as how you’ve chosen to leap into that void yourself, am I to understand then that it’s your contention that during the 20th week there is a veritable explosion of neurons, dendrites, axons and synapses occurring within the cortex, thus suddenly rendering fetuses not only capable of conscious thought and movement but of survival outside the womb?
And if so, would you not deem the intentional destruction of at least that post twenty-week life to tantamount to murder?
You said that he was wrong, he was not.
Yep, better to distract him. Maybe he will not notice that you were hopelessly wrong.
