As I recall, the Doctor wasn’t too pleased with Martha about that.
Possibly he’s got soldier enough in him, and feels he needs someone with him who’s never had that perspective. Innocent eyes, and all that.
Very few have seen it … alas.
I can’t believe no one has mentioned this yet. It is astonishing! Thank you for leaving it here.
I quite liked this one. It felt very old-school, in a charming way. Speaking as someone who hasn’t watched much Classic Who yet, so take this with a grain of salt, it felt very Classic Who.
The sets inside the Dalek were serviceable at best, and the effects were patchy at times, but the important part was the story, the moral quandary, and the character beats, which were all great. (That’s what I imagine the best of Classic Who to be. It’s what I love about Star Trek: TOS, for example.) Clara was welcome and felt “right” finally. It was very nice to see her supporting cast back home grow, and I’m looking forward to more Mr. Pink.
In the Modern Who era, this felt like it could have been a Tenth Doctor / Donna (or maybe Rose) story, and that’s a good thing, IMHO.
12 is growing on me. I think I like him better than 11 already.
And they seem to have erased the nuDaleks from continuity. I would have liked to see a massive pogrom, but I’ll take what I can get.
Also I am really liking the sarcastic, understated Doctor, and the “new” Clara is a revelation: she gives real insight into what a companion actually does and why the Doctor needs one, interpreting humanity for the Doctor and occasionally having to keep him in line. Who thought Jenna Coleman could actually act?
That was excellent.
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First appearance of the Daleks per Doctor:
First Doctor: second episode {snip}
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Nitpick: “The Daleks” was the second serial, not episode. The first serial, now known under the umbrella title, “An Unearthly Child” had four episodes. So, technically, the Daleks’ first appearance was in the fifth episode.
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{snip} While he’s arrogantly playing redeemer…, tons of people get killed. It’s no wonder everyone and their mother declared war on Eleven.
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For a guy who bitched at others about not seeing the big picture, NuWho has a bad case of forest-blindess (“looky all the trees!”)
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I was more annoyed that they spent the entire first episode getting her to accept that he’s the same person as he had been before, then immediately puts her into boyfriend-finding-mode, since the Doctor is no longer BF material. {snip}
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IMO, Moffat is obsessed with this character dynamic: an attractive woman who appears to be a leader (but who is secretly insecure) paired with a gawky, geeky low-self-esteem guy who thinks he has to put up with verbal disrespect in order to be allowed to stay with the attractive woman.* (E.g.: Sally Sparrow/Larry Nightingale; Amy Pond/Rory Williams; Clara Oswald/Eleven. And, to some extent, River Song/Strackman Lux.)
It’s possible Moffat et al. think parents will complain about their kids watching a show with an implied romantic/sexual relationship between an “old geezer” and a “hot young chick”. If Clara/Twelve risks driving viewers away, the next best option is to find another [del]victim[/del] romantic interest for Clara.
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Well, they did have that one episode with THE LORD OF DARKNESS HIMSELF, SATAN, PRINCE OF LIES. :rolleyes: {snip}
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If you are referring to “The Impossible Planet”/“The Satan Pit”, my take on that was that
the creature was the inspiration for universe-wide legends of a creature that was Evil Incarnate, but this didn’t mean that “Hell” (as in, a place where souls are sent to experience eternal suffering/torment/punishment) was a real place. As always, YMMV.
*FWIW, I hate this. No one should have to put up with this kind of treatment. This is not romance, it is abuse.
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Is there a history in *Doctor Who *of depicting or referencing life-after-death for humans? (As opposed to regeneration for Time Lords and that sort of ‘aliens are different’ thing).
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FWIW, the “Tardis Data Core” website has this entry the subject: Heaven (afterlife) | Tardis | Fandom.
Very interesting; thanks. If I’m not mistaken, all the examples seem to refer either to character beliefs or to fraudulent ‘heavens’ except for this one:
Possibly it’s just an artifact of the way the entry is worded, but there does seem to be an implication there that the angel Gabriel is a real as-described-in-human-stories entity, and not an alien posing as that entity.
(And of course we don’t know for certain what the current showrunners are up to with Missy and her domain.)
Do note that their citation for that is a Doctor Who book. The TARDIS wiki takes the sense that everything is canon, no matter how contradictory. The BBC, on the other hand, takes the stance that nothing is canon. Unless a cite says (TV: <name>) I wouldn’t say it has any real “precedence” as far as the show is concerned.
Not an unheard of phenomena. I refer you to The Tempest, Act I, Scene 2, when Ariel rescues the victims of the storm and says:
“On their sustaining garments not a blemish, But fresher than before:”
Considering the state of laundry services in Elizabethan England I think we can assume that drenching the actors and their costumes for every performance would have been too costly. Let’s just call it “Show biz”.
Seconded; that was epic. Guy’s got some moves, too.
That wasn’t a guy.
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Seconded; that was epic. Guy’s got some moves, too.
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Thirded. And that guy learned “hir” moves from The Corsair. She was a bad girl! 
I’ve been staying out of this thread until I watched the episode. Loved it!
Y’all are welcome. A clip of that was in one of Five’s Pre-Capadli specials and I went looking for the whole thing.
I am strangely confused and aroused.
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{snip} As for the Doctor and Ross, wow. Just wow. I have never seen anything so cold-blooded. This is not your daughter’s Doctor Who.
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Yeah, Twelve ain’t a guy for warm-n-fuzzy moments. Once Rusty’s antibodies targeted Ross, he was a dead man. Outside of destroying every antibody–which wasn’t technically feasible–there was nothing anyone could do to save Ross’s life.
I think Nine, Ten and Eleven also would have planted a tracking device on Ross. The differences would have been:
- Nine would have talked one of the other soldiers into planting the tracker on Ross; after Ross dies, Clara complains about this and Nine snaps at her, “It’s a different morality. Get used to it or go home.”
- Ten first would have said, “Sorry, I’m so sorry.” After Ross died, he would have shouted “Alons-y!”, then turned time backwards (doing a wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey thing) and made everything happy happy again.
- Eleven would have teared up, worked his lower jaw back and forth a few times, kissed Ross on the forehead, then handed him a Jammie Dodger with the tracker hidden in the jam.
(BTW, I hope it’s okay to quote this without spoiler tags now that the episode has aired.)
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Well going back and watching just [Danny’s] scenes…
The “Why?”, “To be funny”, “Why?”, “I just do that.”, “Why?”, “I don’t know.” bit is pretty odd. I don’t see many women getting turned on by being stared down for having made a joke. {snip}
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I also found this scene uncomfortable until I rewatched the episode last night and noticed that right after Clara and Danny are introduced, Clara starts organizing some printed material. As she and Danny start to chat, she puts a folded copy of The Guardian newspaper on the bottom of the stack, then holds the stack against her chest, then asks Danny about the kids she saw him drilling earlier. Danny notices that Clara is carrying a copy of The Guardian. I’m not British and I’m not familiar with all the nuances, but apparently, that paper is perceived as “left-wing”, anti-war/military.
Examples, The BBC buys lots of copies of the Guardian. What does that really say? | Roy Greenslade | The Guardian
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Guardian
A UK 'doper could clarify this for us, though.
Now that I’ve noticed the business with the newspaper, I understand that Danny’s hostile (over)-reaction to Clara’s jokes stems from him already feeling defensive because of the kid in his class pestering him about killing someone and, the students seeing his tears. His emotionally raw state made it easier for him to mistakenly interpret Clara’s mindless jokes as an attack by a stereotypical “Guardian reader”, disrespecting him because he’d been a soldier.