Mitt Romney’s turnaround record is well established. Now you can discount each case and try to argue that it’s an overblown reputation if you like, but you are the one making an extraordinary claim here, not me.
I’m seeing a lot more evidence on M4M’s side than yours. He has citations with names and dates, you have “well established”, “I do remember”, and “friends who worked for those companies”. Your own cites don’t show him turning around any failing companies except Bain, itself.
And do you have any response to my post #176? Romney would make good decisions, but in whose interest, or do you believe the interests of different segments of U.S. society are never in conflict?
His quibble with my cites is that they don’t say that they were turnaround cases, just mere successes. Oh my, that Romney sure is unqualified.
ETA: You fabricated evidence and made false claims adaher. Facts matter. That’s not a quibble.
BOSTON — Too much debt. Too much money being spent paying interest on that debt. Unsustainable.
It may sound like the national budget today, but the crisis was Bain & Company in the early 1990s. The Boston consulting firm was in deep trouble. Workers and clients were starting to jump ship. Mitt Romney was called in to save the day.
“There’s nobody that I can conceive of who could have come into that fractious situation, and pull that together,” said Clay Christensen, a former Romney colleague who’s now a professor at Harvard Business School.
You’re debunked. Now make the claim again that Romney didn’t turn any companies around.
adaher forgot the next paragraph of the linked article:
As interim CEO of Bain & Company, Romney negotiated with banks to buy time. He convinced employees and clients to stay on. **And most spectacularly, he won $130 million in concessions from the founding partners, including Bill Bain, the very man who brought in Romney to fix the mess. **Christensen says it was Romney’s crowning business achievement.
So, Romney turned around the company by getting more money from the people that put him in charge… Hmm… see pattern here? Romney is an ace when it comes to spending OPM (other people’s money)… can’t wait to see what he’d do as President.
And he gets those who give him money a lot more than they put in. If he does that for taxpayers, count me in.
As was said, facts matter. Claiming he turned a profit is not the same as claiming he turned Sports Authority and Domino’s around when they were failing.
Any comment on the other part of my post?
Oh, I’m sure he’ll accomplish that for his campaign donors… but as to the general population, if his stats hold up, 30% will be bankrupted or just run into the ground so badly that they no longer exist (hey, getting rid of health care could take care a that!)
I can think of one positive claim Measure for Measure made, which was this:
So, the one example of a successful turnaround Romney made is… Bain. Using money from Bill Bain.
A civil libertarian that can’t even come out in favour of gay marriage?
No, they outright lied about them.
Only in service of profit. Preserving inefficiency where profitable is the prerogative of any business.
In reference to the ACA, the Democrats told the truth? Such as, $500 billion in Medicare “savings” aren’t cuts? they so aren’t cuts, that the president needed to delay them until after the election because he fears their impact:
Now that’s a special kind of dishonesty.
No, Death Panels for Grandma is a special kind of dishonesty.
That was an utterance from a Republican who doesn’t even hold office. Democrats pounced on that to avoid discussion of the legitimate shortcomings of the act.
Oh yeah, I forgot that that was the only ridiculous lie the republicans told about the ACA. :rolleyes:
Anyway, you’ve cited something Farrakhan said as representative of all Obama supporters, so you can’t cry foul that I’m citing a one time republican nominee for vice president of the USA. If mine’s no good, than yours is utter horse shit.
T-shirt for adaher!! “Utter Horseshit–it’s all mine”
Did I cite Farrakhan? I’m pretty sure I didn’t, although I’m a pretty forgetful guy.
Let’s cite Democrats lies:
- You can keep your insurance if you like it.
- Medicare hasn’t been cut
- There are no middle class tax increases in the bill
And the general deception of touting the benefits of the bill, but not mentioning the costs, as if the American public were being sold a used car.
You certainly did cite him in another thread to prove that Obama supporters called him Messiah. You forgot doing that already?
Largest tax increase ever? Heard that whopper? Look, If you are denying that the republicans have lied their asses off about the ACA, then there’s no point debating with you since you apparently are not bound to facts and history when debating like the rest of us are.
That was definitely someone else. When I’m back in that thread in a few minutes I’ll let you know who did it.
Not denying Republicans lied. Are you denying Democrats lied? Heck, the President even made up a story about his own mother to sell the bill.
My mistake, that was Iggy. I apologize for the misattribution.
I guess I’ve seen your name so often in all these threads lately I just assumed it was you. Consider it retracted.
So both sides lied. This is politics after all. How is this different from every debate over every controversial topic in the history of the country?
That’s what I’m saying. Singling out Obama like he’s the worst ever, and totally overlooking the republicans own malfeasance is just disingenuous.
I haven’t done that. If anything, I’ve made it a point to show that Romney and Obama share a lot of flaws.
I’m glad you acknowledge that both sides lied. That is usually not how Democrats portray the debate over the health care bill. And I see all over the liberal blogosphere whining that Mitt Romney is lying about Barack Obama, with no mention of all the “pants on fire” ratings Barack Obama ads are getting when attacking Romney.
It is liberals who are trying to portray Romney as uniquely bad. Singling him out. If anything, conservatives have been quite open about their misgivings about Romney.