Well… :eek: But I for damn sure ain’t about to check whether he tastes great.
Thirty penguins agree… “We like Dick Cheney”
Or am I thinking of Oswald Cobblepot
Hardly.
Granted, but what it doesn’t do is impart character flaws – such as meanness – that weren’t there to begin with.
Well, good for you. It’s too bad that so many of your compatriots here try to mask their political distaste for him with bogus accusations of meanness, evilness, etc., which simply aren’t true.
Nice attempt at verbal legerdemain there, 'hendo, but but your allegations as to my allegations are bogus as usual, for I ‘alleged’ no such thing. What I ‘alleged’ in my previous post was that I asked once, in a particular thread, for specific instances of ‘meanness’ on Cheney’s part which would substantiate his reputation for being a mean person, and came up pretty much empty-handed…as the thread I cited illustrated quite well.
Back at’cha there, kiddo. I doubt any objective person reading this thread and looking at what I’ve said vs. what you’ve extrapolated from I’ve said would conclude that it is I who has a problem with reading comprehension.
But thanks for the compliment just the same. 
Again, a distinction without a difference. Many people feel that his politics and the policies he advances are mean, and some believe also that they are evil. For those people, meanness and evilness are thus part of his character.
It is possible, i suppose, to argue that a person can promote mean or evil policies without being, in some basic sense, mean and evil. But many folks tend to believe that you judge a person by his or her actions, and if someone feels that Cheney’s actions are mean and/or evil, then it’s not unreasonable for them to attribute this to fundamental character flaws on his part.
Moron, what you wrote is there for all to see. You said:
Not only did that other thread manifestly fail to show what you claim it showed (as pointed out by others in this thread), but the core of your argument here is your belief that those who hate Cheney have no real or valid reason for doing so, and that their dislike is completely irrational and based only on an argument such as “look at him, he’s got to be evil,” and his membership in the Republican Party.
Your argument is based on nothing but your own predispositions. You take the position that Cheney himself is not mean or evil, and that he’s a good guy. From this you infer that anyone who dislikes him must have no valid reason for doing so, and must be basing their dislike only on irrational beliefs about some generic meanness or evilness, or the way he looks. You completely ignore the possibility that beliefs about his meanness or evilness might be derived directly from attitudes to his politics.
I don’t think a single person who dislikes Cheney woulddeny that his politics play a factor in their decision, and you haven’t proven otherwise, despite your spurious claims to the contrary.
Well, no-one with your level of reading comprehension would conclude that. But those of us with more than a fifth grade level of educational attainment might beg to differ. :wally
Yadda, yadda, yadda.
I’m quite content to let my comments about the thread I linked to – as well as the nature of the posts prior to my challenge and those that followed – stand on their own.
:wally (Back at’cha, again)
On the list of people I hold responsible for the death of thousands, he’s an OK sort…
I like Dick Cheney. I really enjoyed when that little boy John Edwards got his ass handed to him when they debated.
Yeah, really dig that “stern realist” look as he marches us into the shitswamp.
Here’s hoping that America isn’t already toast by that point.
Oh, one other thing: you know how it is said that negative traits which people often detest in others are actually traits which they dislike about themselves?
I would have to ask – regarding your eager accusations as to my problems with ‘reading comprehension’ – just where it was that I was assigned the task of proving that any opponent of Cheney would deny that his politics play a role in their dislike of him?
I truly fear that problems of reading comprehension which exist between the two of us do not lie with me.
Regards,
SA
Well, before this thread is completely hijacked, I’ll say it:
I am a active member of the Democratic Party, am running for office, and I like Dick Cheney.
Now, I’ll wait for the gasps to subside.
There.
You see, I have met the VP a number of times (being active in Wyoming politics and all), and when you have a face to face conversation with him, he is actually a very nice guy. I know people who he has personally helped, almost always quietly and anonymously, when they are down and out. He actually has a great, althoughy dry, sense of humor. I also know Lynn and other members of his family, and they are all nice, personable people.
I think Cheney has taken on the role of the Machiavellian (sp?) fall guy for the administration. He has no real hopes or ideas of becoming President, so he can do the dirty work. And, frankly, politically he tends to be ruthless and a real back-room player. I also think there have been times when his role has made him advocate for positions he might not personally agree with. But no one has ever said Cheney isn’t loyal to a fault, even when it hurts his own self interest.
That’s not to say I agree with this administrations policies or some of Cheney’s statements, but I have known him and have no personal animosity toward him. I actually enjoyed spending time with him.
*** Note, my contact with the VP has been non-existant for the last 7 or so years, so this is my opinion based on pre-White House contact.
I’ve noticed that, too, though I’ve never met him. He seems like he can be mighty snarky, too, which is a point in his favor. I dislike his politics, I abhor what he and his cohorts have done to this country, but, given slightly different circumstances (“slightly different” would involve a different end to the 2000 election) he seems like he’d be a hoot to hang out at the clubhouse with, making catty comments about the skinny, well-tanned guys sweating out on the golf course.
I have got to kind of admire any politician who can shoot a guy in the face and basically shrugh it off.
Can you imagine if John Kerry had the same hunting accident? The issue would dog him the rest of his life but not Dick.
well, to be fair about it and all, the guy he did shoot was a lawyer. had it been a doctor, or race car driver or some one like that…
Interesting. I haven’t personally met the man, but i met the former chairman of the Republican Party in Sublette county (Wyoming), who had Dick Cheney out to visit him on his ranch a few times. When i asked him that very question, if there was anyone who really liked or considered themselves a friend of Cheney, his answer was: “I don’t believe that Cheney really wants to be liked. He seeks associates who can help him aggregate his own power; he doesn’t seek friendship.” This was from someone who (mostly) agrees with his politics.
My guess would be that this is likely so within the world of politics; outside of politics, however, I would wager that Cheney is quite likable and charming, and that he probably has plenty of friends who would agree.
Sure, that’s a possibility. Though the visits from Cheney to this man’s ranch were ostensibly social as well as professional, so i believe his estimation of Cheney was not intended to be limited to the political sphere.
Even if they both agree, pretty small sample.
I like Dick.
I have it on pretty good authority that even his own daughter doesn’t like dick.