And as I said, if Israel lost a war, there would be no Israel. There would be no one to “throw up their hands”. They would be wiped out.
More than 1.
They have the right to quiet enjoyment of the land they have purchased btu they do not have the right to carve a Jewish state (that has a bare majority of jews) ina land that is majority muslim espcecially when they are immigrants.
Cite?
AFAICT, Jews have had a continued presence in the area since at least the time of Joshua.
And noone is denying that they have a legitimate claim to land in the area but they don’t have a right to immigrate there and carve a Jewish state out of that land.
I was responding to a post taht implied that the Palestinians should get over it, after all, this stuff all happene3d back in 1948. The holocaust ended a few years before that so maybe jews could get over the holocaust.
I mostly care because the shit in the middle east affects world security and as an asian american, I feel that I am more objective about this issue than anyone who has some connection to the area or the religions.
What?!?!!???
I am pretty sure that the conflict would continue even if we ignored it.
More than the “cheap” nature of this post, I find it gratuitous nonsense with too great a chance to initiate an egregious hijack.
Please do not post drive-by, one-liners that are intended only to offend.
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I don’t think the world would sit by as someone commits genocide in Israel.
I think the world wouldn’t “sit by”, no. There would be some mild protest, and there would be strong statements of condemnation in the UN.
You’re right- they wouldn’t “sit by.” They’d dance in the streets!
In other words, you seem to be ignoring the question in favor of supplying your own hyperbole
Consider this: Israel loses a war somehow, the people flee to friendly countries like the US. Palestine is formally established over all of the current Israel + WB + Gaza lands. Should the Jews just get over it? You’re telling the Palestinians to, what would your response be to the Jews?
Or you can get out of this by saying “Israel will never lose!” or something like that, thus ignoring the question again
Consider this: how exactly are you going to transport 6 million people in a few weeks in a war zone? Look at the Yazidis - that’s just tens of thousands, and no way of moving them.
Well, the Korean DMZ is a big threat to world security, so let’s move half of the peninsula’s people to California, since Stalin had no right to do what he did there back in 1945. (See how insane that sounds? But it’s different because blah blah blah…)
Again, dodging the question. The point isn’t the logistics of the move, the point is whether or not you would counsel the Jewish people in a state of displacement to just accept it as you have counseled the Palestinians.
So really, let’s stop playing this game. Either answer the question or just dodge it again and I won’t ask you anymore. I’m pretty sure I know what your answer would be anyways, I just want to see if its as hilarious as the one I’m thinking in my head
The point is, it is stupid to ask a question about an impossibility. “Why would you need cars if everyone suddenly learned to teleport?”
And yes, “Jewish people in a state of displacement” accepted it for thousands of years. Jewish people were displaced from a myriad of places. And accepted it. In 1948 “Jewish people” accepted a tiny bit of land which ALL belonged to them in the past that they were displaced from.
Speaking of “ignoring”, a couple days ago both Terr and I quoted you a specific passage from the Hamas charter that calls for the extermination of Jews, as you requested. Any comments, now that you have the actual quote in front of you?
Oh please!
Tell that to the children of the St. Louis!
Genocides happen and people ignore them.
This one probably isn’t happening anytime soon barring some nations or groups that don’t like Israel getting nukes, but your suggestion is asinine.
Hell, one of the main reasons for the founding of Israel was nobody wanted to take in the Holocaust survivors.
I have. Go to Beverly Hills and you’ll find lots of Persian Jews who were living in Iran vastly longer than the Palestinian Arabs were living in Palestine and I would say to those who dream of going back home after getting kicked out by the Mullahs to get over it.
There aren’t any “right answers” to such a question. What do you say to the people of any land who have lost a terrible war? What do you say to the people of Biafra? What do you say to the Mayans, or the people whom Tamerlane slaughtered?
You can’t say, “Fight on, bravely, until the last man!” That isn’t going to work. It only leads to further deaths, largely of civilians.
You can’t really say, “Well, you just have to accept it,” because that’s callous.
What do you say to the hundreds of women in Yugoslavia who were raped? “Get over it?” Or “Find your rapist and kill him?” Or even, “Identify him to the International Criminal Court and see him prosecuted?”
If Israel is defeated and wiped from the map, the best we can do is remember it, like the Armenian genocide, and seek, as best we can given limited resources (and faced with infinite evil) to keep it from happening again.
(In practice, bummer for the enemy cities Israel would have wiped from the face of the map with their weapons of mutually-assured-destruction. What are you going to say to the incinerated population of Damascus?)
Oh I read that, but didn’t think there was anything to reply to. I specifically said when I requested it that I didn’t disbelieve the claim, just that I wanted to see it for myself out of a intellectual curiosity. I’ve said many times that I consider Hamas to be terrorists that deserve to be eliminated so if you were thinking I was a Hamas supporter and wanted to disprove all the “conservative lies” on this “fake charter”, then that was not my intention. I just wanted to see how it was written that’s all. What would you like me to respond to?
Sadly, your real response sucks the hilarity from my fake Terr response. 
I appreciate the honesty
Well I wasn’t looking for a “right” answer, just an answer that addressed the question. Terr has apparently decided his real views are too fantastical for us to hear and skipped away
I’m not sure what I would do. And that is an honest answer that addresses the question. I’m not looking for Terr to reply correctly, I just know I’ve caught him in a hypocritical contradiction that he has a hard time admitting and he’s running away from. This was never about me getting a specific answer to satisfy me, its about him being able to live with himself, as melodramatic as that sounds.
And for the record, I would have to really think about the Yugoslavia question because I don’t know
Again, going back to the question I posed to him, its not about how we would react. This was all about the counsel he gave to the Palestinians being different from what he would give to the Israelis from a fairly extreme, right-wing, and myopic point of view. But he can’t say that because he thinks he has respect left on this board that he could still lose by being honest. I dunno, he seems like a very sad man or woman to me