“Obamacare” and ACA are the same, right? I even heard President Obama calling it “obamacare” …
What if the Republican party is right on this one that it will cost two trillion dollars and many jobs in the process? That it already has favorites in place with the exemptions and many will lose their jobs or at least be reduced down to 30 hours or less?
What if the fear is real?
Can “obamacare” be repealed after it has a head start in January 2014 … with Senate elections not till November 2014 and that is providing the Republicans win the Senate majority and that the house retains their majority.
The Republican party isn’t right. They’re largely misinformed and responding to conspiracy theories that they pass among themselves via email and RW media and blogs.
He did that in 2010, and then he campaigned for re-election on the law in 2012 and he won. Maybe if he and the Democrats had explained themselves more forcefully in 2010 things would be different today, but it’s too late for that. The main reason people fear the ACA is that Republicans spent 2010 lying about it and telling Middle America that the law would let the government murder their elderly relatives. To address the forward looking questions: flaws with the law can be addressed with new laws, but it’s not getting repealed. Perhaps the Republican Party should have considered the ramifications of calling the law “Obamacare.” Kind of hard to talk Obama into repealing it, if you think about it.
Does it matter what it’s called if no one can describe what’s in it or what will be in it? Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill to see what’s in it.” Well, it’s been several years and people still have no understanding of what ACA/Obamacare actually contains. Who’s fault is that? Who’s job was it to see that people understood the nuts and bolts of ACA/Obamacare?
There are plenty of generalities being bandied about but the fine print is still being written. Now we see that the “signup” is next to impossible understand/accomplish also. The “signup” is brought to you by the same people who planned ACA/Obamacare. One failure after another.
As far as ACA/Obamacare being repealed or un-funded by the U.S. Congress, anything that Congress created or funded can be un-created and un-funded by the same legislative body.
Are you debating if the negatives of the law are as bad as the republicans say they are or if the law can be repealed in 2014?
As far as the law being repealed next year, unless the GOP successfully uses a shutdown and debt ceiling to do it, no I don’t see that happening. Plus even if the GOP wins the senate in 2014, they still have to contend with a president Obama, as well as a democratic minority that can use the filibuster, and where they cannot get a veto proof majority.
So no, not really. The biggest fear of the GOP is that once people find Obamacare is not a bad thing, or good for them, or the bad is minor, or the program doesn’t affect them they will not want to get rid of it. They say their fears are that it will cost money (they had no problem with medicare part D, the two wars, the tax cuts, etc so budget responsibility is not something they ‘truly’ care about) or that it will cost jobs. Their big fear is that people will like it and/or find it non-offensive enough to not want to repeal it. People like social democracy and social programs that benefit them. Even medicaid, a program most people will never use, is fairly popular. The majority of tea partiers do not support cuts to medicare and medicaid.
I bet you are too young to remember how the Republicans said that if Medicare passed the world would pretty much end. And IIRC they weren’t nearly as over the top then as they are now. Obamacare is the worst law ever? Even worse than the Fugitive Slave Act? And they broke their brand trying to hold the country hostage in order to defund it - and lost.
Remember how they were supposed to get votes by improving their reputation with the new demographics by immigration reform? How they doing on that?
In 2014 the websites will work, millions without insurance today will have it (except in Red states where the governors are telling those who should be eligible for expanded Medicaid to die) and the reaction will be just like that to Republicans saying Social Security is ruining the country.
Hey, if a crazy person is trying to wrestle you off a cliff because he is afraid of invisible snakes, do you try to understand his fear or just get to safety?
Now the real fear of ACA is going to come true - it will work and people will like it.
And you can’t lay all the blame on the administration. Large %s of the public don’t even understand if the law is still a law because of all the division and fighting over Obamacare. A lot of people don’t even understand that Obamacare and the affordable care act are the same thing.
I think your complaints are a bit late. I’ve heard several radio shows where there were people explaining the details in great depth, and answering the most abstruse questions.
The federal website needs work. But the states who implemented exchanges, like California, are signing people up like crazy. And many of the problems are higher than expected demand. Some failure!
You people who seem to hate the thought that good honest working people might get a break have lost. Deal with it.
And that’s the problem, apparently. Turns out Republicans are in favor of the ACA (about 2 to 1) if you call it “Reagancare.”
So basically, we’re just back to “Republicans don’t like Obama, the person” as the actual source of the “fear,” and no amount of explaining is going to fix that. It’s also why the Republicans insisted on calling it “Obamacare” rather than the “ACA” – because in the “everyone thinks like me” world of unskewed polls and such, they assumed the name would kill it rather than support it.
What Pelosi was saying. I agree the administration did not do enough to explain the reasons and make their case forcefully to the public. Of course, Obama has explained the basic provisions in plenty of speeches. Health care is complicated, but they weren’t aggressive enough about that or about rebutting the nonsense. Then again, if people misunderstand the law, a lot of the blame does have to go to the people who spent their time lying about it to scare people. That’s more reprehensible than failing to explain the ins and outs of the law.
They’ve been a bit late for a couple of years now.
Like I said in my first post in this thread, they’ve been explaining for three years. I don’t know what you think the law is, but its provisions have been explained in great detail by many people for several years. My question is this: who are you talking to if you think all of this stuff is a secret?
The Republicans are delusional lunatics and liars; anything they say can be assumed to be wrong unless and until some non-Republican comes up with evidence for it.
At least for “individually,” I managed to find this information in approximately three minutes, using the public healthcare.gov website. If that’s the best kept secret in DC, I fear for our launch codes.
On the off chance that happens (remember, these are the people telling us you raise revenue by reducing taxes and create jobs by getting more rich people to stick money in banks, so third-grade math isn’t their strong point), then we’ll repeal, fix, or replace the law, and think “Wow, dodged a bullet with that one. At least we didn’t cost as much money and jobs as that Iraq debacle.”
I hope I don’t have to quote that back on you someday … The GOP sure seems sincere to me … it’s not like they are running for anything till next year. The same members against ACA were the ones that won by a large margin in their home states and feel confident of retaining their office. If they turn out to be right it will be landside election for their side.
I don’t really understand the Tea Party and how they fit into all of this, but for right now they just seem to be rich people joining together that are against taxes.
Has the supreme court ever re-decided any of their cases? The reason I ask is that is the only way the ACA can be stopped.
The only way for the ACA to be “stopped” is for opponents (Republicans) to win the House, Senate, and Presidency, or for the bill to fail so badly that a sizable majority of the American people demand a repeal (and the polls are not even close to that). If people like it, it’s never going away.
Then you should know that Obamacare was basically a Republican proposal. It was what they offered in response to the Clinton health care reform idea in the early 1990s and Mitt Romney created something similar as governor of Massachusetts. But once Obama and the Democrats tried it on a federal level it was murder. Very sincere opposition.
They’ve been running against the ACA since 2010.
Most of them are guaranteed easy re-election no matter what happens.
The court can re-visit issues, but the same court isn’t going to take the same case twice. Roberts’ opinion in the ACA case pretty much said “I don’t think this is a good law, but it’s Constitutional.” It is over and will not be repealed.
