But it would show that kindergartners are much better at it.
For the many, many Texans and Oklahomans who have some Cherokee ancestry, there is no way on God’s green Earth to set any actual percentage to it. Scots/Irish and Cherokee is an almost stereoptypical mixture for the peckerwood demographic. Some were proud of it and passed it along as heritage, those that weren’t simply didn’t talk about it, and let it be forgotten.
Point being, there is nothing remotely unusual about someone born in Oklahoma and appearing as white as Romney to have Cherokee blood. As well, the likelihood that you could prove such a thing is vanishingly small. The Cherokee themselves didn’t much a give a shit, you wanted to be Cherokee, you were. Sam Houston is a prominent example, known among his adopted people as “Big Drunk”, was entirely Scots/Irish in descent, but became a leader in the tribe.
It’s ok to call Trump anything you want . . . except President.
If she has Cherokee ancestry, it didn’t come from being born in OK unless she acquired it by osmosis. As I already noted, not one of her 4 grandparents was born in that state (or in TX).
Your comments are the first time I’ve seen this asserted. So where was the great-great-great-grandmother from, who was believed to have been identified as Cherokee in marriage records?
Is Scott Adams known for any kind of skilled political prognostication, or is he simply another entrant for this year’s Bill Kristol Prediction Prize?
Has Trump ever claimed to belong to a non-white etnic group?
He’d deny it but it’s obvious there’s Oompa-Loompa in his genes.
That’s an interesting bit of conjecture, but has Trump ever claimed to belong to a non-white etnic group?
That marriage record was from Logan County, Oklahoma. It appears to be that the claim that the ancestor was identified as Cherokee on the record was incorrect, but it’s not clear to me whether or not the record exists at all.
I would also like to see a cite on the birthplaces of her grandparents.
“I’ll take Irrelevant Questions for 400, Alex.”
“What is ‘Not to the best of my knowledge’.”
You have a point to make?
He’s known for being a piece of shit. Yanno, if that helps.
Increasingly, the answer to every “has Trump ever claimed ______?” question is yes, he claimed it, then denied it, then denied that he claimed it, then claimed that he never denied that he claimed it, then claimed he’d never claimed or denied it, then admitted that he probably had claimed it, but denied denying it, and that’s all in the past week, and isn’t it amazingly refreshing to finally hear someone who speaks his mind and means what he says?
If she did, would that make calling her “Pocahontas” any better?
A Google search for “Elizabeth Warren grandparents” doesn’t give me anything.
Be that as it may, being born in OK or TX makes it more likely that one has Cherokee ancestry, but that is not exclusive. Any number of people, for whatever reasons, left those Earthly paradises for other places. Go figure.
As well, a large number of Cherokee ended up in Arkansas, for instance. Also, quite a few never left Georgia and Tennessee. Known as the “forest Cherokee”, they rejected the “white” ways of other Cherokee, warning darkly that the white man would betray them. For the most part, the removed Cherokee had something worth stealing.
Bottommost line being, it would not be surprising if someone who legitimately had such ancestry would be entirely unable to prove it. Mostly, point of fact. My father’s family name is listed on the “Trail of Tears” documentation, but there are any number of people with that same last name who are not at all Cherokee.
Everyone. You are falling into his trap. Elizabeth Warren’s ethnic heritage does not matter - what does matter is Trump using an ethnic slur.
Remember the woman who claimed to be black and ran a local NAACP? She was wrong, but if Trump called her Aunt Jemima he’d be wronger.
Her colleague, Louis Gates, hosts a PBS show where he uses professional genealogists to trace the ancestry of famous people, and then does a DNA test to look for hidden traces of undocumented ancestry. If she has some NA ancestry, she might be just on the edge of resolution of the test, but it would be a pretty good data point.
Not that I feel she needs to do this unless she wants to for personal reason. But we do have the technology.
It’s well known, and noted in The Atlantic link provided by Colibri, that the two most likely “family legends” to be false are: NA ancestry and Name Changed at Ellis Island. Having read quite a bit about the subject, I’m always skeptical of claims of NA ancestry without hard evidence. It’s not anyone’s fault, because we all tend to believe what we want to believe.
Agreed, mostly. I wouldn’t call it an ethnic slur-- it’s more like me calling you “Joe Namath” if you claimbed you used to play professional football. He’s not disparaging NAs, he’s disparaging someone claiming to be NA who he thinks is not.
For it to be completely analogous, we’d need to swap Aunt Jemima (a fictional character) for a real person like Harriet Tubman or Sojourner Truth. But either way, I agree that the name-calling would be “wronger”. For one thing, what did Pocahontas do to deserve having her name turned into a slur?
What about the best knowledge of other posters? Do they have any knowledge of Trump claiming to belong to a non-white etnicity?
Yes, yes, I do. Even two points, in fact. I often wonder what drives people to claim to be something they are not…
What drove Rachel Dolezal to claim to be black?
What drove Bruce Jenner to claim to be a woman?
What drove Elizabeth Warren to claim to be Native American?
Is it some sort of deeply rooted psychological issue? If so, should they seek psychiatric help?
Additionaly, if there’s any evidence that Trump claimed to belong to a non-white etnicity ( for example, if he claimed to be an African), should Elizabeth Warren call him Kunta Kentei?
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Thank you! Could you provide the source for Trump claiming to belong to a non-white etnicity? Would be very curious to see how his claims stack up against those of Eluzabeth Warren.
Not non-white but he did lie about his origins.