Since you’re the one arguing that anyone pointing out Clinton’s almost complete lack of charisma must be sexist, I’ll gladly remain nowhere near that chain of though, mate.
No, of course not, but they’re not president material, either. That’s OK, though - the vast majority of people aren’t, present company most definitely included. To be president, you have to have a certain amount of drive, a certain amount of hubris, a certain asmount of ego and the fact that she let her husband goes first shows that she was lacking in that area. And yes, I’m well aware of the fact that I’m the only person on Earth accusing HRC of not being ambitious enough, but that’s the way I feel.
Look, I like Clinton, and if I voted in U.S. elections I would have voted for her. It’s just that she’s not my idea of what the first female U.S. President should be. I don’t want another woman sliding in on her family name, like Indira Gandhi or Benazir Bhutto or George W. Bush, I wanted something more like a non-evil Margaret Thatcher. A woman not beholden to any man.
Also, maybe it’s because my own country has such a raging psychotic bitch of a “first lady”, I’m tired of the whole concept of politics as a couples game. My wife and I both work; I don’t get involved in her job, and she doesn’t get involved in mine. I don’t see why it shouldn’t be that way with politicians, too. As much as I despise the Trumps, I actually kind of respect how Melania has been avoiding playing the part of First Lady. Her husband was elected; she wasn’t.
I find it interesting that while faulting HRC for “letting” her husband pursue his ambition–and in the process completely ignoring the social and historical context associated with that fairly noncontroversial decision–you simultaneously portray Bill as the passive one here. She “let” him go first, as if he was the one without agency and command. And yet she’s the weak one, the one whose leadership abilities are in question. Right.
Consider your problem might be that you’re expecting women to have all the privileges readily afforded men and then judging them negatively for not having those privileges. A woman waits until her young kids are older before applying for a leadership position at the firm? Well, nevermind her education, her ideas, her ability to articulate and execute a brilliant vision, her experiences. Let’s call her unfit for simply not doing what men do, which is expect a spouse to handle all the baby stuff and then earn pats on that for being “driven” and having “ego”.
Whereas I could care less as long as the person running for office has the ability to do the job expected of them. Their life story, what their spouse does, when they decided to enter politics relative to their spouse’s retirement, I don’t care about really.
Calling people super-predators and deplorables or suggesting stay at home moms are lazy does not exactly win hearts and minds. I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that perhaps the “something else” exists more in that area.
AFAICT the only people who “hate” her are:
- conservatives who hated her when Bill was president, and
- spurned Bernie bros.
the people in category 1 were never going to vote for her or any other Democratic candidate. They’re the ones who got all bent out of shape in 1992 when she said “Vote for him, and you get me!” I don’t know how big category 2 is.
But the thing is, Clinton didn’t lose at the hands of people who hate her. They don’t and won’t vote for (D)s. She lost because people who aren’t strongly one way or the other but tend to vote Democratic were “meh” enough on her where they either stayed home entirely, or said “hey, this guy sounds like he might actually get something done” and took a chance (e.g. the blue collar vote which flipped OH, MI, and PA.)
I knew I had a weird feeling on election day last November. When I went to vote on my way into work that morning, the place was a ghost town. the morning of election day 2008, I had to wait in line for over an hour to vote.
Beets are* really *good if cooked properly. But they scare the hell out of you when you piss next!
Yeah, but then who would keep the sea lanes open?
Seriously though, have you seen HyperNormalisation by Adam Curtis? Would disagree with some of the particulars, but the broad strokes seemed about right. Might be up your alley.
This thread is kinda funny. The ground is collapsing under their feet and they’re arguing about Hillary’s charisma. This is why liberals get sent to the gulags.
And if you’re dumb enough to actually fall for that kind of bullshit that is so horribly out of context then you really have no fucking business stepping into a voting booth – just sayin’.
The “super predators” comment was in response to predominately African American gangsters who were terrorizing their own neighborhoods. Black people in 1994 and 1995 would have also called these people ‘super predators’ or ‘thugs’ back then. IIRC correctly most Congressional Black Caucus members supported the Clintons and this legislation, which more than likely actually did help to reduce crime. For the record, she didn’t actually vote for said crime bill – Bernie Sanders actually did. Just thought I’d point out some fucking reality for ya.
I don’t recall Hillary Clinton ever once suggesting that stay-at-home moms are “lazy”, but rather that professional women shouldn’t be hamstrung by motherhood and that it might actually be good if men shared some of the domestic responsibilities and that working mothers have more opportunities to advance professionally.
As for the deplorables…they’re fucking deplorable. That doesn’t need to be said.
No, she didn’t coerce him. They came to that decision based on a realistic assessment of the strengths of each - Bill the political animal and Hillary the policy wonk. And it worked - he became governor and then President. It just fell apart when his other issues distracted from her ability to be the policy wonk - his nearly compulsive lying lead to the GOP taking over Congress for the first time in decades meant that he spent the rest of his tenure trying not to get kicked out of office, and triangulating.
The later deal, where she would become POTUS, failed, twice, because of her utter lack of the charisma Bill had, and because her lies and dishonesty reinforced the Clinton reputation so ably founded by Slick Willie.
Regards,
Shodan
Warren just needs a slight image makeover.
For instance, if she wore this outfit on the campaign trail in 2020 she might swing the Ohio vote.
