Donald Trump, tax avoider

Least of all Trump.

Yes, I do. Is there something specific that you wanted to say? :neutral_face:

Can that be pardoned away?

I think that he may have run afoul of the laws regarding tax withholding. If Ivanka is a full time employee of the Trump Organization he is required to report everything he pays her -salary, commission, bonuses, …everything. If he tries to evade that obligation by paying her in another way for work she does for the Trump Organization, that’s tax evasion.

And there seems to be some clear evidence pointing that way. I’m not going to be able to give you proof beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s not how it works, and I’m tired of Trump enablers insisting that proof beyond doubt should be required as a basis for an investigation.

There aren’t a ton of investigations into Trump because people are out to get him. Trump is investigated more than other presidents for the same reason that the Joker is investigated more than Commissioner Gordon.

White collar crime isn’t always as clear cut or easy to understand as street crime. Much of it seems victimless at first glance. But we all pay the price. Tax evasion hurts all of us, we all make up the shortfall.

Thanks for your specific answer. Being in no way an expert on tax evasion, you seem to have something here.

I do hope you’ve read enough of my posts to know that I am not a Trump enabler. And I don’t even know if you were referring to me. But I assure you, I am not one. And no doubt having to have proof beyond a reasonable doubt in order to start an investigation would pretty much guarantee the end of all investigations.

She does have something here. Evidence. Evidence that Trump broke the law. Evidence that was presented in the NYT article and quoted to you, by me, in post #334.

Try to keep up.

This is going pretty much the way I thought: Trump is trying to rattle Biden by not letting him speak.

Yes, intellectually, it’s a shit show, but to the average beer swilling, know-nothing guy, Biden looks old, weak, and uncomfortable, which was what Trump wanted to make him look like.

Live watch-along thread here:

Think of it this way. Trump owes ~$400 million in personal debt plus $100M in probably tax liability vs overinflated property valuations that have been depreciated to the max. Trump “assets” are prolly jack squat after calculating his liabilities. His “business empire” of Trump branding, money losing golf courses and Trump Tower (prolly leveraged to the hilt) will go tits up in the next 4 years.

North Korea could save his ass…think about it? Even impoverished North Korea led by a caricature clown could save Trump from bankruptcy. Maybe that’s why they “fell in love”?

Putin’s Puppy is unequivically a national security risk.

Do you have evidence of that?

Oh wait, of course you do. The 10,000 word NYT piece contains tons of evidence of that.

You said,

That doesn’t seem like the sort of position that someone who follows the news would say.

Trump, as the most observed person in the world:
Has pressured Ukraine to lie about Biden by withholding their aid.
Has just not divested himself from his businesses.
Has attempted to destroy the USPS because of increased mail-in voting during Covid.
Has lied about Covid and repeated underplayed the seriousness of it, causing tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
Has affirmatively decided to take away refugee children from their parents and cage them.
Has murdered a foreign dignitary on the ground of a third allied country.
Has ignored Russian bounties on American service people.
Has abandoned our allies, the Kurds.

He was dumb enough to do all those things while being observed. Of course he’s stupid enough to cut Putin some slack for money.

I could go on, but I’m bored of typing since I know that this won’t persuade you.

Lobohan, you left out:

  • Has had basically a public dalliance (not sexual) with the dictator of North Korea while taking money from projects intended to improve the quality of life of our troops.

  • Has had basically a public dalliance (not sexual) with and is quite beholden to the dictator of Russia who offered bounties on American troops while at the same time the current occupant of the White House is taking money from projects intended to improve the quality of life of our troops.

This is not an American president who supports American troops. Anyone at all who follows actual news, as opposed to one particularly filtered version of it, would know in an instant.

This happened almost exactly as I said it would.

Attacking Biden’s intelligence and academic record? Check.

Bringing up Burisma? Check.

And if you listened carefully, there was a kind of veiled threat in there about going after Biden and Obama, IIRC. He wasn’t as explicit as I thought he’d be, but he said “We caught you guys spying on my campaign” or something to that effect.

Fine. You think Trump would do something that seems very much to me like treason. I do not. And yep, you haven’t persuaded me.

I don’t see how anyone who has been paying attention to the behavior and actions of Trump over the last five years would think that he has any consideration whatsoever for whether a given action is treasonous or not. Trump cares only about how a given action benefits himself in the present moment. Period. He doesn’t give a whit for our country, and would sell us out in a heartbeat.

Of what danger is the phrase “treasonous” to Trump if treason is not addressed by Congress?

That’s the beauty of starting out with your conclusion and nailing it in place. No amount of evidence or information will work if you set the bar infinitely high.

It would be amusing if there weren’t so much at stake.

Fine, you don’t respect my judgement on what I think Trump will or will not do. I can accept that.

I haven’t started with any conclusion, nor have I set any bars. I really don’t want to do a line by line answer to the actions you have posted about Trump. But how about one as an example.

Agreed. Why did he do this? Because Putin paid him off, or what? Reprehensible behavior is not in and of itself evidence that someone will do anything. So yet again, your items are not evidence that Trump can be paid of by Putin. They are certainly proof that Trump is a horrible person and president. Why can you not accept that I think there is a line that even Trump wouldn’t cross?

We can accept that you think that. But there’s no evidence that there’s ever been a line he wouldn’t cross if he stood to benefit in some way.