Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign

Doesn’t it bother you that he’s allied with Hezbollah? I would have thought that would put him on your bad guy list.

He has barely clung on to power, partly by the pure accident of the separate rise of the DAESH in Iraq that has scared off support to opposition for fear of its expansion

His survival, bare and doubtful, has come at the cost of the shattering of the Syrian society, the destruction and the impoverishment of the entire country excepting his own direct family circle of war profiteers… and millions of civilian refugees, and hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths.

This is not the sign of a great national leader, it is the sign of the tenacious petty warlord.

tottering and fragile, propped up as much by the fear of the DAESH than any thing. He is not in control of most of the national territory nor is his remanant rump military the primary force, it is as much the forces of the independent militias of the local war lords and the outsiders, leaving a reduced rump state.

He has seen the collapse of his central controle and the ceding of much military power to allies of convenience, like the Hezbullah, who will extract prices.

Even relatie to the Alawite, the Clan Assed is a disaster as is this Assed. It is the pure failure of leadership for the Syrian nation and all the Syrian communities. The only profit goes to the Clan Assed and their war profiteerrs who accompany them.

No you are wrong.

This is nonsense.

his power is diminished and it will not return to what it was before, he now is very beholden to the outside forces whose actual ground presence are what saves him from collapse

These are again not the signs of a “great leader” - there are the signs of the petty tyrant who for some historical accidents is saved from the disaster of a huge miscalculation that he would do as his father did and with impunity crush the opposition à la the massacres of 1982. However, he lost control and lost control of much of his army.

What survives of his power now is a rump, propped up by the Hezbullah ground fighters, the Russian and the Iranian support and the regional war-lords militias and the severe division of the opposition who hate the DAESH as much as him.

These are not the signs of a great leader, as the foolish hypocritical dishonesty would have it, but the signs of a weak and foolish leader who was saved from his lack of understanding of the modern era only by lucky circumstances.

for this person, his analysis is if the USA is massacring muslims it is good.

It is the double language of the genocidaire logic that wishes to wear a mask So Assed is called “progressive” in a clumsy attempt at making an excuse

Support for Assad in Syria: video

Maybe that’s for surviving in a very tough region? I don’t know, maybe he is at fault there.

You need to request a name change yourself.

I have suggestions, but will not make them here, because that would be inopportune.

You have misrepresented what the poll cited actually measured, it did not show that “Trump actually draws support from a significant percentage of college graduates”.

The ignorance in this is astounding.

The Asseds have been allied with the Hezbullah and the Iran for some decades, fort the purposes of having control and power in the neighboring Lebanon. It is not something invented to save his tyrannical and corrupt clique in the face of their failure of leadership in 2011. It was a choice.

Your prejudiced demarches truly are bankrupt in morality and analysis.

OK Ramira bro!

This thread is about Trump. I declare the Assad hijack over. Start a new thread if you wish to continue.

Yes of course, the great morals of the Clan Assed, who freely have used torture and even heavy weaponry against purely civilian dissent and the regime knows for its torture and it gross corruption.

As the wiki summary highlights

Well know signs of truthfullness and morality, the torture of high school students for anti regime graffiti and the use of live ammunition against civilian protests.

Of course it was his morality and truthfulness that saw the censorship and actions like the imprisoning of teenagers for political poetry prior even the Arab spring

But you like him because he kills people of a religious faith you hate.

okay

And speaking of “So what?”…

I’m not flailing around for anything. You draw all kinds of unsupported assumptions from data. “Clearly more intelligent” is code for “I don’t have a cite.” Even if you did, claiming a sweeping, generalized point and applying it to specific cases is a fallacy. Intelligence level says absolutely nothing about motivation. For instance, let’s take a conservative of high intelligence and with a college degree who hasn’t been able to get a job. He’s unhappy with the GOP establishment because he feels he’s been poorly served, and so decides to vote for Trump based on that.

Btw, please refrain from judging me on what you clearly don’t know about me.

As practically everyone in the political class does.

Au contraire. I merely posted a cite to show that that 35% of Trump’s supporters have college degrees. You immediately responded by saying in effect that this doesn’t prove they’re wise, which is an allegation I never made or alluded to. Then you started twisting off about some college grad you know that you think is dumb, apparently in the belief that this anecdote somehow disproves the presumption that college grads are smarter than the average bear, and you began demanding that I satisfy you with more substantive proof of something that everyone not dancing on the head of a pin to deny Trump any sort of substantive support already knows, and I, as is my wont, simply refused to play along.

So let me say it once again. The assertion that Trump draws all his support from white guys with high school or lesser levels of education is wrong. Period.

No, actually it’s code for “clearly more intelligent”. It never even occurred to me that someone would attempt to deny that college degrees are indicative of above average intelligence.

Do you really think the observation that college degrees speak to a person’s level of intelligence, discipline and determination is a fallacy? Then may I suggest you try to get hired by any Fortune 500 company for anything but grunt work without one.

So? I never said it did.

I’d be surprised if this is the case. Unlike our more liberal brethren, conservatives aren’t much inclined to believe it’s the responsibility of our political party to make sure we have the work we want available whenever we want it. I’d say it’s much more likely that this intelligent conservative who can’t find work will believe it to be due to such things as a glut in the labor market for his particular skills, or he chose to major in an area where work isn’t as readily available as he’d presumed. or that economic conditions in his particular field (let’s say natural gas, as an example) have taken a downturn, resulting not only in no work for him but layoffs for those who’ve already been employed in his desired field. I’d expect that the last thing he’d do would be to shake his fist at the Republican establishment and cry out in anguish “You let me down, you bastards, and now I can’t find work!! It’s all your fault! Wah wah, wah!” This just isn’t how conservatives function.

Actually I’ve been judging you on what I do know about you, which is that you’re desperate to find some way to discount the fact that Trump enjoys significant support from college graduates. Not a majority to be sure, but a hell of a lot more than zero, which is what many of Trump’s detractors try to claim. He enjoys significant support from women too, which is something else you never hear from those who want to believe his support lies almost exclusively with angry old white guys with substandard levels of education.

Really? Wall of text alert. ^

Let me answer just a few of these, or I’ll start expounding on the urge to prove oneself right at any cost and any length.

Please show a specific quote where I denied your original contention that a significant portion of Trump’s supporters have college degrees. (The only one which you supported with actual evidence, btw.)

Then, you might, just might want to support that by showing some kind of evidence for their rationales for supporting them. The only ones I can see are a) that they were ill-served by their party, b) that they just want to burn down the political system, or c) that they think somehow that monetary success = ability to govern 310 million people well.

I’ve known a number of people without degrees who were far more intelligent than many people with them. Claiming that degrees = greater commitment or discipline is even less convincing than your claim regarding intelligence. Until or unless you show me actual cites, I’ll just think you’re trying to take the data from one very particular point and generalize it to a whole lot of other things, which, as I have already stated, is fallacious.

If it’s such an admirable quality, don’t you think that Trump’s 35% is kind of low?

Oh, I forgot about the fourth motivation:

Because Hillary.

None of the four seem particularly wise to me.

Who made that assertion? AFAIK, you made the assertion that someone made that assertion; can you show otherwise?

Getting hired by a Fortune 500 company is no metric to judge a person’s intelligence, discipline and determination by; your conclusion does not “prove” your assertion at all.

I thought in modern Republicanland, egghead intellectuals churned out by liberal biased colleges weren’t to be trusted?

If I were going to stick around and engage in this silly argument any further I’d suggest you might want to rephrase your question. As it is, you appear to want me to assert that no one made that assertion.

Neither is a college degree, if we’re to believe Johnny Ace.

Look, my primary point was that Trump is drawing 35% support from college graduates and that this puts the lie to the belief that Trump’s only drawing support from angry old white guys with poor educational levels. That’s it. Period. I’m not going to get drawn into a silly cite contest about every sidebar comment I made about that. Believe what you want, I don’t care. Draw whatever conclusions you like. But don’t think for a minute that the silly jiggery-pokery you two are engaging in is persuading anyone that people with college degrees are stupid and large well-funded companies with tons of smart executives are routinely hiring dumbasses one after another.

I don’t know about that but politicians and economists at FED backing today’s system where demographics are worsening and government debt is growing are all fraud and cowards who won’t speak the truth.