Only one site mentioned discounts, and the rest said to tip a percentage of the BILL, not of the meal price. And they used the word BILL, not meal price, not menu price.
The customers as a group.Remember the part about tips are voluntary and not mandatory? If most customers tip on the discounted price (which seemed to be a problem at least some servers complained about) then that’s the standard.practice. If 90% of servers decided tomorrow that they wanted a 50% tip, that wouldn’t make it standard practice. If 90% of customers started giving 50% tips, it would become the standard practice. See the difference? The standard is not what you want, it’s what actually happens, and servers have no say in that.
And if I go to a place and I feel I got bad service/food, I will make sure to complain with the manager and write it in the book if they have one, and let him know why and also let him know that it is the last time I visited his place and everyone I know will also know to avoid the place.
From experience, I’ve seen some curious faces on some managers. It’s rare I complain though, I’m not a demanding person and I’m also patient.
I work as well, I also do Customer service and for the job I am doing I don’t get tips but that doesn’t stop me from trying to give the best service to the customers.
You work as a waiter you have a job to do and you are paid for it.
If what your employer pays you is not enough then go find another job.
I had to do the same.
You don’t tip, and you think that a threat of you NOT returning is somehow negative? Servers and managers everywhere are thanking you for staying home. :rolleyes:
And, as already stated, if you don’t tip at all on a regular basis, AND return back to the same place (that has LUCKILY survived your standards) I can promise that eventually (best case senerio) your server will cease to give a rat’s ass if you get your food hot or if you die of thirst or (worst case senerio) your food will be served with an unordered side order of some thing gross. I’m not saying these practices are morally correct, I’m saying they’re industry standard. As is tipping.
And WHY should you tip at all? You get paid more than minimum wage at your job. I do not at mine. Therefore, it is your responcibility, given that the service was good, to tip me so that I can make minimum wage. Try reading the thread before you post to it, :wally
Please let me know if you’re ever going to be in my area so I can be sure to take the night off of any and all restaurants I happen to be working at.
But believe me, managers do give a rats ass about my comments.
And it is not a threat, it’s a comaplaint.
And yes it has repercussions on the waiter.
You see managers and restaurant owners are there to make money and if people complain they will fix it.
That happens and I will put a complaint, and if by any chance I return and still get that kind of service again I will make sure the consumer bureau will have a complaint of the place.
And it is my fault that you decided to take a job that doesn’t pay the minimum wage??
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Hmmmm, that sounds the same as web design, graphic design, working in a record store, being a nighttime security guard, a taxi driver, a recording engineer, being a bouncer, shall I continue?
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You haven’t in particular, but Alice_in_wonderland certainly has
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I’ll agree it’s a tough job, and I don’t tip out of pity either, because if that was the case, I’d tip people in professions where it’s not required. I tip, because it’s the norm.
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It seems like there’s a sense of entitlement to me, perhaps you don’t see it, or I’ve misinterpreted it. As far as seeing it when I go out, people usually don’t make that clear to me, or would be best to hide it, as it would piss me off.
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And does the server realize it’s sub par? Because if they don’t I’m a cheapskate, and would be wise to avoid that establishment in the future.
It’s not my attention span as my participation in this thread would reinforce that, it was totally pointless.
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Nope, no power issues. I’m not going to get into my definition of adequate service, I’ll just say this. 99% of the time I eat out, I leave a generous tip. If I don’t leave a tip because I received shitty service, I risk being labeled a cheapskate, and effectively ban myself from the establishment. Now is the server going to say, “hmmmm I need to do a better job, this guy wasn’t happy with my level of service”? Somehow I doubt it. Needless to say I think thats unfair. Perhaps you should take issue with people who have unreasonable expectations for service, and use a tip as leverage for them. I’ll join you on that one.
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I don’t know what to say, you’re wrong.
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Sounds about right to me. On the rare occasion this doesn’t happen, the tip left is smaller, sound fair?
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What is relevant? How much money only you make? Here’s a simple lesson is business. If the restaurant is doing well, it’s because lots of people are eating there.
More people = more possibility for tips.
Good service = more people.
I wonder if you (personally , because that’s all that matters) would make more money with 75 10% tippers (cheapskates) then with 50 15% tippers.
Actually they really don’t. Managers were all servers once and they don’t like cheap tippers either. Managers are there to make money, and they make less money when they cater to the needs of cheap people over people who spend their money.
Although ignorance is never an excuse, is it possible some people who don’t eat out much are confused by some of these tipping schemes? I personally don’t know how much to tip on a tuesday night when it’s a full moon, and the server is on crutches.
Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of cheap ass people out in the world, but they aren’t the only ones. Give 'em the benefit of the doubt.
Hey, Hammerjoe, when you’re telling the story to “everyone you know” about the less than adequate service you received as a result of your habit of not tipping, are you honest? Do you say, “Hey, I never tip and I went to this restaurant and the service was shitty” and expect them to share your righteous indignation?
Continuing on with this idea of truthfulness, when you are seated at a restaurant do you tell your server, “hey, I don’t tip and if you don’t like it, find a job that pays above minimum wage?” because I really think you should
That’s interesting. Maybe it depends on where you live. We usually round it up to the next higher dollar and then throw in another buck. Or, if the price ends in something less then .50 we round up to .50 and throw in a buck. The delivery people always seemed to be thrilled by this and are effusive in their thanks. I can remember one guy in particular gushing about how good we always treat him. Of course, if the weather’s really bad I’ll make it 2 or even 3 bucks because I feel guilty about making them come out. But a buck and change seems to be considered generous around here (outside of Philly).
Sounds about right to me. On the rare occasion this doesn’t happen, the tip left is smaller, sound fair?
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Wowza, we agree on something. And I’ll tell you this much: any server who rants and raves about your cheapness because of a crappy tip is probably lying to themselves, from how you’ve described your tipping habits to me. Usually, the only time a server is verbal about their discontent with a tip is when they know they gave excellent service, no room for question.
Well, considering this is a thread about tipping i’m gonna go with yes on this one. Of course we’re only talking about tipping, that’s what this thread is about. If we were going to bring resterant management and owners into this, and how much they’re making, then that can of worms would be open. It’s not. Because it has nothing to do with tipping. Which is the subject of this thread. Got it?
Wow, thanks for the lesson. Now I’m going to give you a little lesson in waiting tables. 15% tips are better. Period. I’m gonna have to work harder to get the same amount of money if it comes from 75 10% tippers than 50 15% tippers. I’m waiting on more people for the same amount of money at the end of the night.
